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Monday, February 13, 2006 - 4:14pmSanction this postReply
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http://www.citypaper.net/articles/2006-02-09/canon.shtml

Philadelphia City Paper recently ran an article called "Black Hate Radio", about a radio show "Star and Buc Wild". The show airs weekday mornings on urban station Power 99 FM. The show's star, Troi Torain, according to the City Paper, "spits epithets at everyone: "'spics,' 'asslickers' (homosexuals), 'hoes' and 'bitches.' Kanye West is a 'nigger.' Whites are especially despised: 'whitey' was recently blamed collectively for choosing February as Black History Month, it being the shortest."

Now for the punchline: "Torain hates everyone, though not equally. A disciple of Ayn Rand, the formerrecord company exec spouts a creed of self-interest he calls "Objective Hate." By attacking all the 'losers' around you, says Torain, one can find personal fulfillment, and much wealth. Among Torain's biggest losers are black people, especially black women. Torain, who disavows his own African-American heritage, dismisses black identity as 'modern day tribalism.'"

Maybe we should send Barbara Branden as an ambassador to stop the violence? ;)


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Monday, February 13, 2006 - 5:42pmSanction this postReply
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UGGGH!!!!

This is as bad as the time Wizard described Ditko as a Nietzchean.

---Landon


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Monday, February 13, 2006 - 10:24pmSanction this postReply
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Yeah, except that this guy claims the Rand influence himself. I can understand the anti tribalism idea, but he furthers the stereotype that Objectivism is nothing but hatred and authoritarianism. And he's not so creative by adapting the Howard Stern routine. Still, he is down with Rush..;)

MICHAEL PAUL WILLIAMS
POINT OF VIEW
Aug 19, 2005

"On the heels of this expression of community revulsion, the state NAACP is seeking to have this weekday morning show pulled from this market.


Michael's column appears Mon. and Fri. Contact him at (804)649-6815 or mwilliams @timesdispatch.com

Star, whose coarse talk show "Star & Buc Wild" has enraged local radio listeners, set the record straight:

He is not African-American. His mother is a Caucasian of Italian descent. His father, "an American Negro."

"I know nothing about Africa," he said. "Teresa Heinz Kerry is more African than I am."

He is 41 and claims no love for hip-hop. Rush, a Canadian rock band, is among his favorites. He has admired philosopher Ayn Rand, novelist James Baldwin, boxing legend Muhammad Ali, stunt motorcyclist Evel Knievel, martial artist Bruce Lee, and "even David Cassidy for a while," he said of the former teen idol from the 1970s sitcom "The Partridge Family."

"David Cassidy was the ultimate white boy," Star explained. "Now you have a sea-full of Eminems -- a bunch of wannabe niggas. . . . Keith Partridge was the exact opposite of him. At least you knew where you stood with him."

With Eminem, he said, "you're not really sure if he's really down or if he's trying to rape the culture. Not that I have a problem with him, because I'm a capitalist myself. But he's disingenuous, I think."

Plenty of listeners have a problem with Star's often-profane and racially provocative satire since he and his sidekicks -- including Buc Wild (for hip-hop flava), Crossover Negro Reese (a conservative Republican) and White Trash Helene -- debuted four weeks ago on Richmond's The Beat 106.5."




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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 4:26amSanction this postReply
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This just turns my stomach.  Obviously this man did not get the message in Ayn Rand's essay "Racism."

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 5:34amSanction this postReply
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Well it *is* a morning radio show :)



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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:58amSanction this postReply
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Good grief.  This guy sounds like someone who would make "El Vacilon de la Manana" sound like Miguel de Cervantes.

Did anyone see "El Vacilon: The Movie"?  It made "Private Parts" with Howard Stern look like Shakespeare.


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 11:12amSanction this postReply
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I didn't see "Private Parts" but I did see "Saving Private Ryan" -- and "Saving Private Ryan" made "Full Metal Jacket" look like a Sunday morning picnic.

Ed
[miscalculated my cumulative consumption of caffeine today, as is expressed in the sheer giddiness of the above]


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 5:26pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Guys, thanks for the stereotypical remarks before doing your research, I'm sure Ayn would be proud of you all. My book will be out soon to clear up all misquotes, misunderstandings and true intensions of my journey. Furthermore, "Objective hate is the total belief in one's self with the full understanding of man's true nature."

STAR

P.S. I suggest you gear up to come after me now, but remember individualism supports no witch-hunts, partners or secret societies.

starandbucwild.com


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 6:29pmSanction this postReply
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Given Mr. Bissell's legacy, we now have to contend with the rather plausible assumption that we have another impersonation on our hands. What kind of a list is it whose members cannot be taken at face value? This is exactly the problem I pointed out in my post "Impersonations and False Identities"--the breakdown of trust among friends and associates. I no more believe that "Star the Hater" is Troi Torain than I believe he's Roger Bissell. Christ, I don't know what to believe anymore! It's getting to the point now where any new name falls immediately under a cloud of suspicion. How would you like it if you came onboard RoR and nobody believed you were the person you said you were. But that's the result of this kind of sophomoric duplicity.

My suggestion is, don't waste your time with this character. Whoever he is, he isn't worth it.

- Bill

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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 8:35pmSanction this postReply
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I believe we've got the real Star on our hands here.  Welcome, Star.  First off, to say that you have a lot of explaining to do is an understatement.  You declare:

"Objective hate is the total belief in one's self with the full understanding of man's true nature."

From perusing the interview on your website, you seem to indicate that "man's true nature" is one of viciousness and evil.  This is essentially a version of 'original sin', a concept rejected by Objectivism.  How do you reconcile that?


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
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I'm with Pete.  I want to hear what this guy has to say.

 - Jason


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 9:48pmSanction this postReply
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I want to hear what he has to say, also.

I have never heard of him until reading this thread. I have not looked into any of the links posted so far, but I have read every post. I am confused as to why certain posters are so turned off. From what is available to me so far, Star is one crude mofo, and makes statements about races and groups. But I see no extrapolations from races to individuals, and therefore no racism. Much of what I see is plainly true, e.g.: “"Teresa Heinz Kerry is more African than I am."


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Tuesday, February 14, 2006 - 10:25pmSanction this postReply
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     I've never heard of him...until now.

     After reading these posts, I've got one question:
              Can we say that this guy is a GREAT 'name-dropper' who quite knowledgeably entices 'controversy' for the pure sake of it...or NOT?

     If so, what point contributing to HIS 'agenda' via this thread, past MY present post?

     If not....please continue...'arguing' (as he no doubt wants, since it will contribute to his next show.)

LLAP
J:D


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 1:18amSanction this postReply
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I'm having a bout of insomnia tonight and I just read through the interview on Star's website.  It is an interesting read....  I 'll have to try to pick up this radio show on an internet feed.

If you don't mind taking the time Star, I'd like to pose a few questions. 

First -- What is the definition of this term "Objective Hate"?   Is this a synonym for the "will"...  is hate some natural human drive that you think we ought to objectively harness?  

Second -- You seem to understand the sillyness and indeed the mindless tribalism inherent in a racist worldview and yet all throughout the interview it seems as though race is something you still focus on quite a bit (beyond merely using it as joke material for your show).  For example you said :

"Hate is an emotion I have explored and expanded upon because I am a man of color in the United States of America, not a black man, but a man of color." 

If Howard Roark or John Galt were "men of color" I don't think that it would have made a whole lot of difference in how they viewed the world.  They wouldn't care enough about the issue to even give a second thought about "hate" or race.   So I guess I'm just wondering how you integrate this "philosophy of Objective Hate" with Ayn Rand's heroic portrayal of man's possibilities.

Good luck with the radio show.  From the looks of things you are doing quite well.

 - Jason

(Edited by Jason Quintana on 2/15, 3:07am)


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 6:43amSanction this postReply
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I've been listening since he came on the air in Miami. I was driving to the sweatshop one morning and heard an audio clip of Ayn Rand outlining Objectivism. Damn! Remember, this is a morning show. The prime focus of most of these shows- pop culture, entertainment, comedy etc. Listen to the yahoos that populate the airwaves between 6 and 10! Star is a created persona no doubt, in the *context* of morning radio. He has "hooks" to peak interest and invite controversy. At the end of the day it is entertainment but with a bite and a flavor I have never heard. It is easy to see only the "hooks", and not get what he is inviting his listeners to do which is, (and this is my own interpretation): accept nothing, educate yourselves.


John

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 7:32amSanction this postReply
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Sort of the same way F. Paul Wilson does in his vampire books, get otherwise not informed to think on philosophic issues perhaps never put to them before, in a manner now understood.

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:59amSanction this postReply
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Hello Mr. Dwyer:

First, let me say, I don’t blame you for questioning my
authenticity. Many people in my work place and
day-to-day life are baffled by my thoughts, sayings
and philosophy. In short, I am a rouge warrior but very
conscious of the landscape I swing my sword upon. I’m
often misquoted in Hip Hop /Rap vehicles based on
their lack of knowledge regarding rational thinking.

Out of respect for the legacy of Ayn Rand’s brilliant
work, I will limit my involvement on this forum until
my book is on the shelves, but I felt compelled to
say “BOO” so that her blueprint is not totally distorted.

Most people in your highbrow world haven’t heard of
me because I have been building my philosophy for
years and only on a few occasions have I revealed it.
Let me say for the record, I am a strong supporter of
Objectivism and its earth shattering dimensions,
but sadly Bruce Schimmel, a sensationalist writer
who never attempted to contact me is trying to make
a name for himself and possibly gain front row seats
at the next Sixers’ game. The debacle of this old fool
is so off base, I didn’t think anyone would take him
seriously. First Schimmel claims, I hate people of
color but then states that my black self-loathing will
continue..

By the way Mr. Setzer, yes I’m very familiar with
Ayn’s essay on “Racism”, which combined with her
inspirational words from “The Virtue of Selfishness”,
assured me long ago that I would have been welcome
to sit at her dinner table.

On my show gentleman, I use what’s known as the
bait and feed approach. Yes, I’ll kick it with the
anti-value culture about guns, weed, bitches and
bullshit, but within that four hour period talking
to five million plus, I also introduce them to Arthur
Schopenhauer, Isabel Paterson and Francis Fukuyama
as well. Lastly, as I am sure many will jump at the
chance to dismiss my manifesto, let it be known right
now, I am in seek of nothing less than equal.

S. (212)358-3937 - thehater1964@yahoo.com

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:07amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Jason Quintana,

First, “THANK YOU” for even entertaining my back door philosophy. As I said in my last post I want to limit my involvement in this well versed group until I am published but I hope this answers some of your questions.

To distinguish my definition of Objective Hate from others, let me say that my philosophy presents mans true nature as hateful but not condemning him in the sense of being evil. Also, the fact that certain civilizations take pride in suicide practices negates all claims that man’s prime nature is to survive by any means necessary, it’s merely his choice of will. To declare mans true nature as evil would mean having no vision of hope. To insight that there is no hope would mean leaving no room to manifest.

S. thehater1964@yahoo.com


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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mans true nature as hateful
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Sounds like you read a little too much Schopenhauer while forming your sense of life and sense of man -- existentialism just sucks. Example 1: Ian Brady (with the help of Myra Hindley) mass-raped and -killed children because of his existentialist philosophy. Example 2: Heidegger supported Nazi totalitarianist bullshit (quotes available upon request).


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the fact that certain civilizations take pride in suicide practices negates all claims that man’s prime nature is to survive by any means necessary, it’s merely his choice of will
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"[T]he fact that certain civilizations take pride in suicide practices negates all claims that man’s" knowledge is effortless and immediate. That's why these civilizations are being less moral than we are -- they are failing to use their minds to discover and validate objective human values.

A "pocket" of ass-backward savages, in a world where the "pockets of peace" have increased from about 50 (the usual size of aboriginal bands of peoples -- start-up tribes, so to speak) to that of hundreds of millions of people, says nothing consequential about man's nature. Indeed, when "the whole" is taken into account -- an opposite conclusion is entailed.

Don't hate the player, hate the game.

:-)

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 2/15, 10:41am)

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 2/15, 10:41am)


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:11amSanction this postReply
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Star,

If you like Rush and Ayn Rand you've got my attention.


What are your goals?


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