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Post 20

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:21amSanction this postReply
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I live in Philadelphia is the show on there?

Also, that Philly Weekly is a typical leftist rag that can be counted on to have only the most sickening slant on any kind of current event you can imagine.  It is useful if you want to find concerts and entertainment in the city, though.

Existentialism - my only positive feeling for this is from Stephen R. Donaldson's Thomas Covenant series, which I believe are the High Fantasy version of existentialism.  It presents some interesting ideas, and I enjoy reading him as his writing is exceptional, but I don't think I agree with the ideas presented. 


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 2:30pmSanction this postReply
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Clearly, there's more to Star than meets the...eye; I suspect there may be more than meets the ear as well.

As Lance says, "...you've got my attention."

LLAP
J:D

P.S: re the subject of 'Objective Hate' --- To my way of thinking 'hate' is applicable to those who show themselves as a bona-fide lethal (long-term or short) danger, personally, or communally/civilizationally. The likes of Toohey is not worthy of energy-expenditure in 'hating' (ie: apart from mere indulgence of the 'feeling' of such, actual planning on doing 'some'thing to end his...activities), whereas the likes of Darth, Sauron, Mao, Idi, Adolph, etc...there IS  a place for 'objective' (rationally justifiable) hate. --- Star might be on to something here...maybe.

P.P.S: Ass-u-m(e)ing that the 'Star' posting here is the one and same as the radio-host, it's interesting that he noticed this blog, even though obviously O'ist-oriented in interests.


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Post 22

Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 2:55pmSanction this postReply
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Hey Ed,

Thanks for checking in but “Objective Hate” was not derived from any form of suffering in the face of adversity. I’m sure it’s hard for you to conceive but I’m actually from a pretty well to do flock. Go figure!

S.

P.S. Save the Nazi quotes for the students.


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 3:13pmSanction this postReply
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I guess I was more on the money with my post than I thought.  Looking forward to hearing more.

---Landon


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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Ahh, So I was right Star. I guessed that what you were preaching in that interview was either a Rand/Shopenhauer mix of ideas or a Rand/Buddhist mix of ideas. In any event, I hope to see your posts here from time to time. Regardless of whether or not I agree with your philosophy I can see that you are a hardcore individualist and that is something that deserves respect.

- Jason


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 4:43pmSanction this postReply
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 yes I’m very familiar with
Ayn’s essay on “Racism”, which combined with her
inspirational words from “The Virtue of Selfishness”,
assured me long ago that I would have been welcome
to sit at her dinner table.
Can I quote you on this? I think it's touching.

"Haters..."  Isn't that a term and concept used by urban culture (read inner-city black folks) to indicate one who is overtly critical and/or envious of another?   I live in a small urban city, and hear black people using this term often and it's always within the above context.  White people say "jealous" and black people say "hater."  Are they one in the same thing?  


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 5:50pmSanction this postReply
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Hey Lance,

Thanks for the toll! Right now my main goals are (1) To finally beat this Obsessive Compulsive disorder (2) To stop dating girls under 22 years of age (3) To give up the on going wrestling match I’ve been having with Bombay Gin for the last 13 years.

S.

P.S. I had Geddy and Alex on my show during their Vapor Trails tour. It was a mental ejaculation for all of us.


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:43pmSanction this postReply
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Jason wrote ...

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Regardless of whether or not I agree with your philosophy I can see that you are a hardcore individualist and that is something that deserves respect.
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Good point, I must assent and give the man due respect.

Welcome to RoR, Star. I'm glad to see that you weren't put-off by my, ah, er, out-of-the-blocks "criticism." I'm sure I'll have more disagreements with you. But I hope that doesn't put-you-off.

That said, the first is (as yet) unresolved. To get metaphorical on you:  I charged you with the error of looking at some "lost" folks somewhere in the world (the suicide worshipers) -- and then concluding from that that "directions themselves" aren't inherently desired by humans, when they are the journey of life.

To get pedantic, just because humans are brain-wash-able (they can be tricked into willing their own death) at a highly-abstract level of argument, doesn't mean that all folks before such skullduggery (like little kids, for example) aren't life-worshippers.

Here's relevant Rand ...

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Kant and Hegel and all the worst destroyers of the mind, of individualism, of freedom, had to claim that there is a higher reality, a higher reason, a higher freedom. They don't dare proclaim that men are better off without their heads.
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Ed



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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:46pmSanction this postReply
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Star:

     Ok; you got me curious.

     What's your prob with women (er, 'scuse me: 'girls') who're 21? (ie: "...under 22 years of age") --- Or, are there 22's some of whom are one type ('women') and some are the other ('girls)?  In which case, would you clarify the distinction (age-wise, if not psychological-maturity-wise), and, it's relevence, please?

Really, Curiously,
LLAP
J:D


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 8:51pmSanction this postReply
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Star,

I don't know your work yet, but from what little I see, you're putting Rand out with your own spin and doing it with a great deal of success. You are getting Objectivism to an audience that otherwise would not have contact with it. They tune in because you have talent. And your part of the world undoubtedly is improving from the collectivist mess.

The world needs more people like you, Star. Rock on.

(Pay attention, people. Wanna talk activism? Mr. Activism himself graciously showed up here. Learn from this man.)

Michael

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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:05pmSanction this postReply
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John --

If you can find me an attractive, mature 21 year old girl that won't drive me nuts I'll pay you a hefty finders fee.

- Jason


(Edited by Jason Quintana
on 2/15, 9:06pm)


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:15pmSanction this postReply
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Star,

I am still forming my opinion about you, but it goes without saying that you've added an interesting spice to this discussion...you're no doubt a provocative individual.  I hope you'll continue to stop by here. 

Another couple questions, if you'll indulge me:

- Do you feel your concept of Objective Hate is a universal truth (one that would make others better off if they embraced it), or is it more of just a personal concept which has helped you get what you want out of your own unique life and circumstances? 

- Do you follow the major Objectivist organizations (Ayn Rand Institute, The Objectivist Center), and the various rifts and controversies that inevitably follow those groups?  If so, do you firmly take a side on those issues, or are they of no concern to you? 

Pete  


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:22pmSanction this postReply
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Jason:

     I'm 'Googling' right now.

     I do think that I can give you a list to check...but, it may take a while for you to search through this NYC/LA-sized listing to pin down 'the RIGHT one' within; Oh, well,  that's your prob...er, I mean...challenge. I'm sure you're...heh...'up' to it.

     How much 'hefty finders fee' you talkin'?

LLAP
J:D

P.S: Um-m-m, you DID say 'girl', right? Not 'woman', correct? Otherwise, I gotta re-configure my parameters.


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
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John I will be expecting a report back from you on this by next Friday.

- Jason


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Wednesday, February 15, 2006 - 11:49pmSanction this postReply
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Hey Lance,

Thanks for the toll! Right now my main goals are (1) To finally beat this Obsessive Compulsive disorder (2) To stop dating girls under 22 years of age (3) To give up the on going wrestling match I’ve been having with Bombay Gin for the last 13 years.

S.

P.S. I had Geddy and Alex on my show during their Vapor Trails tour. It was a mental ejaculation for all of us.


Star, I caught the Vapor Trails tour twice. One at Nissan Pavilion west of D.C. and the show at the Giant Center on a rainy night in Hershey, PA. The Hershey show was fantastic. I've seen those guys about 20 times by now. I'm a musician and probably wouldn't be if it wasn't for those guys.

Anyhow, good luck with your goals. The only advice I can offer is to transition over from the Bombay over to red wine. It becomes more about the taste of the grapes rather than all the hell that breaks loose from the harder stuff. Turning Leaf Coastal Reserve 2001 or 2002 is a decent place to start.   


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Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 12:15amSanction this postReply
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Jason:

     ....not to be blatantly crass or anything (especially in 'public'), but, most of my girls, uh, 'list-of-girls' (or, 'women', whichever you prefer) have become VERY interested in what you said about 'finders fee.' I'm kinda interested too; could we get down to, um-m-m, details about that?             :D

LLAP
J:D


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Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 5:57pmSanction this postReply
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Good evening Ed,

Thank you for the stay of execution. Believe me I want nothing more than to joust on a high cliff with no parachute in hand but I must leave some stones un-turned until my book is launched.

In regards to your charge, lets take seppuku for example; this self-induced end by the Japanese is considered to be honorable by way of rational cognition, not trickery or under any religious umbrella.

Its cold reality presents punishment through shame or dishonor. Quite the opposite of mystical divine resting! >Choice of will, wouldn’t you agree?

S.


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Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:18pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Michael Stuart Kelly,

I’m sure some where down the line I will piss you off, but before that day comes let me just say “THANK YOU” for your kind words. Here’s a link to a recent article I was featured in, I hope it moves you.

S.

http://www.timeout.com/newyork/Details.do?page=7&xyurl=xyl://TONYWebArticles1/537/features/air_power.xml


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Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:28pmSanction this postReply
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Star,

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Good evening Ed,

Thank you for the stay of execution.
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Pleasure all mine.


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Believe me I want nothing more than to joust on a high cliff with no parachute in hand but I must leave some stones un-turned until my book is launched.
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Fair enough.


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In regards to your charge, lets take seppuku for example; this self-induced end by the Japanese is considered to be honorable by way of rational cognition, not trickery or under any religious umbrella.

Its cold reality presents punishment through shame or dishonor. Quite the opposite of mystical divine resting! >Choice of will, wouldn’t you agree?
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Okay, we're talking on different levels. I'm talking about a rabbit hole that goes much deeper than mere al-Queda suicide-schools indoctrinating their young (that ye ole' "East is beast, West is Best" stuff ... er, actually, the other way around -- but you know what I mean!). I'm talking about the kind of philosophical bankruptcy that Rand took pains to undermine. I'm talking about holding abstract ideas -- which may be "coherent" amongst themselves, mind you! -- without a philosophical foundation (ie. without "correspondence" to reality).

Foundationalism is where it's at. And it is likely that the first, or at least -- most fundamental -- philosophic error, is a rejection of this aspect of reality. We don't build skyscrapers by starting with the top floor -- and there is a good reason for that.

Ed


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Thursday, February 16, 2006 - 11:51pmSanction this postReply
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Star, here's my (indirect) proof ...
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Hara-kiri, which literally means "stomach cutting" is a particularly painful method of self-destruction, and prior to the emergence of the samurai as a professional warrior class, was totally foreign to the Japanese.

The early history of Japan reveals quite clearly that the Japanese were far more interested in living the good life than in dying a painful death. It was not until well after the introduction of Buddhism, with its theme of the transitory nature of life and the glory of death, that such a development became possible.  

To the samurai, seppuku--whether ordered as punishment or chosen in preference to a dishonorable death at the hands of an enemy--was unquestionable demonstration of their honor, courage, loyalty, and moral character.

 When samurai were on the battlefield, they often carried out acts of hara-kiri rapidly and with very little formal preparation. But on the other occasions, particularly when it was ordered by a feudal lord, or the shogun (as was directed of Lord Asano in the Tale of the 47 Ronin. ) , seppuku or hara-kiri was a very formal ceremony, requiring certain etiquette, witnesses and considerable preparation.  

Not all Japanese samurai or lords believed in, even though many of them followed the custom. The great Ieyasu Tokugawa, who founded Japan's last great Shogunate dynasty in 1603, eventually issued an edict forbidding hara-kiri to both secondary and primary retainers.  

The custom was so deeply entrenched, however, that it continued, and in 1663, at the urging of Lord Nobutsuna Matsudaira of Izu, the shogunate government issued another, stronger edict, prohibiting ritual suicide. This was followed up by very stern punishment for any lord who allowed any of his followers to commit harakiri or seppuku. Still the practice continued throughout the long Tokugawa reign, but it declined considerably as time went by.
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from:
http://victorian.fortunecity.com/duchamp/410/seppuku.html

Ed
[Buddhism is anti-man and, therefore, anti-life (as philosophies are always about informing the actions of man) -- it is a type or kind of brain-washing, though bought-into by many, many folks around the globe; kind of like the early idea of a flat earth was]

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 2/16, 11:58pm)


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