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Friday, May 20, 2005 - 1:54pmSanction this postReply
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The problem with Satanists is that they have chosen to play the game of Christ versus Antichrist, and accepted the playing field layed out by traditional morality. They accept the label of evil, where Objectivism follows Nietzsche's "transvaluation of values." Even if Satanists know it's a game, they've still chosen to play it.
I examine the relation of Objectivism to Satanism in my essay THE TRICKSTER ARCHETYPE AND OBJECTIVISM (http://jungianobjectivism.tripod.com/id15.html).
The similarity between Objectivism and Satanism lies in the use of the Trickers archetype, a mischievous character who blurs the lines between traditional dichotomies (as exemplified by our own Dr. Diabolical Dialectical...). The main difference, however, is that the Trickster is AMORAL, where the Devil is IMMORAL, meaning that the devil accepts the argument of the supposed good that his actions are evil, while the trickster rejects that label, and brings about a new morality.

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Friday, May 20, 2005 - 2:34pmSanction this postReply
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As George Smith (Atheism: the case against God) has said somewhere (my paraphrasing):

Satan is a Christian, for he believes in the God of Abraham and the resurrection of Jesus Christ.

God is an atheist, for he does not believe in a power higher then himself.


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Friday, May 20, 2005 - 5:50pmSanction this postReply
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Always liked that line from the movie - 'The Ruling Class' - where Peter O'Toole says - 'how do I know I am God - because everytime I pray, I find I am talking to myself'.......

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Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 7:29amSanction this postReply
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All Powerful and Evil Master Biddi-Bob, I have sanctioned you well.
Please send more Count Chocula for my young satanic objectivist offspring.


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Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 8:22amSanction this postReply
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Done, my Child. Thank you for the sanctions. Someone from my minions, perhaps you, has been clicking away for me, bringing me very close to possessing my 4 little Atlas guys!

Today, SOLO. Tomorrow, the Universe.

Muuu-wah ha ha!


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Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 9:02amSanction this postReply
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Speaking of Count Chocula, I think there's a slight resemblance between Bob and Joe Flaherty of SCTV...Count Floyd, anyone?

(Back to the depths...the light hurts my eyes...)

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Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 8:34amSanction this postReply
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Hoy to the serious minded,-

There is a fable to go with what I have described above. In the beginning the protagonist accepts and uses the language and the immorality of evil powers to the extent that he knows himself as a "We", not an "I"-

With "..that work that is our crime. Nothing matters save the work, our secret, our evil, our precious work." He's talking about self-learning, private scientific discovery.

Indeed, the first words of the story are "It is a sin to write this." Of course, everything has changed by the close of the book- but I think it would be agreed by all that the spirit of the hero and our rapport with him are in clear evidence long before he has untangled his philosophical baggage.

Take up Anthem in your throwing arm, set your sights on a Satanist and throw the book at him! Let it be a mirror for him.



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Sunday, May 22, 2005 - 6:41pmSanction this postReply
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Just wanted to share this little satanic family slice of life...

While devouring sizzling flesh for dinner and listening to the devil's music by The Doors. My satanic teenager was talking about seeing The Rocky Horror Picture Show. I of course was in shock that my innocent young barely 15-year old would have seen an R-rated movie and mentioned that I thought she was a bit young for it, but silly me also mentioned that I had seen it a lot when I was younger and how I did all the crazy stuff at the midnight shows. 

We started talking about the show and I actually had her convinced for a moment that I played Janet (Susan Sarandon's character) in the shadow cast in front of the stage.  She knows I was a little devil back then and actually believed me. We had a good laugh and talked about going together some night and her playing Magenta and Sean doing Frankenfurter.  (Now there's a visual--Count Chocula in drag.)  Of course, I did fess up the truth that I was just one of the dorks throwing toilet paper and stuff around, but considering that I've met Ozzy, Petty, McCartney and others, she will always think of me as the coolest rock-n-roll mama who ever lived. 

Rock on to the Devil's music.    ;-)

(Edited by katdaddy on 5/22, 7:02pm)


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Monday, May 23, 2005 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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I guess this is a topic fairly close to me. In high school when I decided to finally "shrug" off christianity I had very little left to fill the void, the closest thing I found to this was satanism.  I was activly into heavy metal almost all the way through high school (going as far as actually playing in several bands).

The biggest problem with this is over time I spotted more and more problems with the ideology and searched out new (and sometimes much darker and more dangerous variants of it). Never really finding anything that quite fit me personally and oftentimes finding things that sickened me and appalled me more and more as I went.  I drifted from Levayism, onto neo-paganism, nietzchean egoism and finally (briefly) nihilism.

It's like as time went further and further I was sinking deeper into a personal abyss that in the last few years I've just been begining to crawl from.  The biggest problem was that I could find nothing defending some of the values I held most dear while most of the things I found close to my ideas were upholding some of the worst aspects of the ideology I'd just left.

To put it simply I'm wishing someone had thrown a copy of Anthem at me... I could have saved so much time and so much pain.

---Landon


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Monday, May 23, 2005 - 1:21pmSanction this postReply
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Here you go Landon Erp... I hope my throw reaches your post above.

Actually it's an ARI audiobook excerpt [ch. 1].
:-)

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Monday, May 23, 2005 - 1:23pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for sharing your experiences, Landon.  Welcome!

Jason


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Monday, May 23, 2005 - 3:58pmSanction this postReply
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Thank you Jason and Num++

highly appreciated,

---Landon


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Tuesday, May 31, 2005 - 5:17pmSanction this postReply
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When I was much younger I went through a brief period of fascination with LaVey's CoS and Satanism.  What I came to realize after doing a little research was that anything worthwhile in the "rational self-interest" of Satanism was stolen straight from Rand -- and the theft is obvious.  It isn't anything worthy of concern.

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Thursday, June 9, 2005 - 4:58pmSanction this postReply
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Robert, I just read through this series of posts and really enjoyed your Post #5.

When I read Milton's Paradise Lost, I found that Satan would be much more interesting to know than God.  I am surprised that there are not many more Christians or theists who have the courage to note this.  One would then expect that this would bother them.

Of course, one of the main appeals of Christianity is that it offers everlasting life as a reward which can easily follow a life of sin and hedonism (as indeed it is expected to for man is a sinner) for the low price of asserting a belief that Christ came to Earth to save us from the consequences of our sins.  So many who accept this worldview get to follow the more interesting Satan in this life and hope to evade the consequences in the next, longer life.  What a deal!  It only lacks reality and wisdom.  But, it really makes it clear how much of a package Satan and God are.  To accept the perfection of God, one has to accept the evil and the pleasure given by Satan.  In fact, one has to revel in the fact of one's being of Satan, since one has Original Sin and lives inevitably as a sinner.  The Christian believes in the Satan/God dichotomy and then further divides the God side into God, Christ, and the Holy Ghost.  What fanciful imaginations have been at work here!


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