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Post 80

Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 5:11pmSanction this postReply
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How old this topic is.---^

Sarah

Post 81

Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 5:20pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, I disagreed with Jennifer's leaving. As for her not coming back I can't say. But those were her choices. I did what I did because Linz ticked me off with his posts 6 and 8 on this thread. I came back because I thought it was the manly thing to do to tell him off rather than me run off and because I valued SOLO greatly. He took it in somewhat good humor. Now Barbara and Linz are angry at each other, but they are still here.

I hope they take me off moderation soon; I don't like this second-class citizenship. Maybe Joe and Linz are moderating each other.:-)

--Brant


Post 82

Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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LOL

Post 83

Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 6:21pmSanction this postReply
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Brant,

I don't know if you are laughing at your own rather funny "second hand citizenship" remark or what. I can't think of anything else above our posts that could be funny at all. (I certainly don't feel that old. Hmmmmph.)

btw - I hope you come off moderation soon too. I enjoy your posts tremendously - especially that night you started reading the Valliant book and talking to yourself...

Michael


Post 84

Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 9:17pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, it was Sarah's post 80 I was LOL at.

--Brant


Post 85

Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 10:17pmSanction this postReply
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Brant,

(sigh)

I know. I just don't like feeling that I might be starting to get old...

Michael

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Post 86

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 2:08amSanction this postReply
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Thanks Adam, I was already aware of Jennifer's position.  

Having in addition read the comments offered here by the other parties to the dispute, I remain sympathetic to Jennifer's reasons for having withdrawn from her agreement to return and consider her departure (and the subsequent failure to secure her return) a terrible loss to SOLO as an organisation.

My main concern in my previous posts was with the insults and accusations now being levelled at Jennifer. Linz and Joe quite rightly took exception to the unjust insults David Elmore spewed out a few weeks ago, yet seem not to understand when other posters similarly take exception when they are unjustly treated. I post this not as a personal attack on Linz or Joe but out of concern for the fact that a number of SOLO's best minds have left us, and several of those who remain are publicly knocking the stuffing out of each other over.

The fact that this topic has thus far refused to die is perhaps an indication of just how many good people share that concern.


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Post 87

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 7:23amSanction this postReply
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Matthew,

You confuse me. You keep referring to "insults and accusations now being levelled" against Jennifer. Huh? Did I miss something?

Where are they?

I personally have the impression that the issue of her departure is starting to be ignored and the posters on Solo are moving on. If you said that she is not being discussed much anymore on Solo, except for a few posts on this thread, and maybe that bothered you, I would agree.

As I understand it, she is free to come back anytime she pleases. She doesn't because she doesn't want to.

That the issue refuses to go away is a good indication to me of offline activity, because online it just ain't happening in general.

Michael

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Post 88

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 8:10amSanction this postReply
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As I understand it, she is free to come back anytime she pleases.
Sigh.

And I thought that every other thing that I had read, especially those posts from Linz saying that Joe Rowlands didn't want her back and Jennifer's letter saying that both Linz and  Joe didn't want her back when she said that she needed time to think over her decision to return given comments Joe had made during her negotiations with Linz, had made it clear that this wasn't the case.At the very best, the only out you might have is that Jennifer may be free to return as a poster, but not as SOLO staff, but even this claim is dubious.

Laj


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Post 89

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 8:29amSanction this postReply
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I'm glad you said that, Laj.

This makes it very clear to me, for one, that there is some kind of attempt to make reality become what is not in this affair - by Objectivists. You can twist suppositions and speculations all out of shape all you want. The reality is that, so far, no ban has occurred - at least not to my knowledge and not online. I have seen no evidence of any intention to ban. So I stand by what I wrote.

Facts are facts. I know you don't like them, but that will not change them.

Michael
(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 7/10, 8:32am)


Post 90

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 8:55amSanction this postReply
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MSK,

Fair enough. We are all free to take a positivist and/or a legalistic approach to issues whenever we want to.  I thought that the freedom you spoke of was related to how Jennifer would be received by SOLO's owners, who have stated that they do not want her back, but it seems that you are speaking in terms of freedom defined as lack of a specific, verifiable intent on the part of the owners to ban Jennifer.You are right - there is no evidence of such an intent, and most likely, it doesn't exist.  Given some earlier comments, it is fair to speculate that her account is under moderation, but that is not a ban.

Cheers,

Laj.


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Post 91

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 9:53amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

You know you'll never get old. :) You just happen to be here when the camel's back broke.

The event in question happened nearly a month ago. If someone made a movie out of this topic, George Romero would direct it. Please, everyone, just let it die.

Sarah

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Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 12:33pmSanction this postReply
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Well, Michael, I've made 12 posts since I *came back*, so I guess the moderation is permanent.

--Brant


Post 93

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 1:44pmSanction this postReply
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Sarah, you just wrote:

"You know you'll never get old. :)"

Well you can say what you want about me now - you are pre-forgiven for anything and everything. I used to like you before. Now its for life.

Brant, I don't know what the moderation criteria is. I don't think that that is for life though.

Have you tried sucking up?

(Hey! - stop throwing stuff! - just joking! - dayaamm!)

Michael

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 7/10, 1:46pm)


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Post 94

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 2:27pmSanction this postReply
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 Thank you Matthew for speaking out on Jen and Co.'s behalf.  I'm with you on this one. Shine On.
(Edited by Joe Maurone on 7/10, 2:29pm)


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Post 95

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 4:32pmSanction this postReply
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Please, less of this:   and more of this:     

Jennifer,

Many of us miss you. :-(
 Come back and I'll let you bake me a cake. :-)



Post 96

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 4:39pmSanction this postReply
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Bob, how do you do these graphics? LOL.

--Brant


Post 97

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 5:35pmSanction this postReply
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LOLOLOLOL...

Bob, you are a delight.

<Bonk>

Michael


Post 98

Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 10:12pmSanction this postReply
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Bob, you are so cool. My new name for you is ... Mr. Incredible.

(I hope you like it),

Ed

Post 99

Monday, July 11, 2005 - 5:58amSanction this postReply
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Bob,

You are a wizard!  Thanks, also, for those fireworks the other day.

Have you considered sending multi-media messages such as these to get your government to listen to reason?  They'd not only listen; they'd pass them around to everyone they know. 

This could be the fun  way to spread Objectivism.

Still ROTFLMHO               Sharon

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