Linz's "Open" Forum

Heroes shouldn't get tired, Jeremy, at least not quickly. So, put your money where your mouth is. There is a litany of ways to do that, as Ted pointed out. Solo wasn't fair to you, I'm sure that's probably true, but ragging about it here isn't productive.

Also, let me ask you: Is there anyone who could complain as I am, whose complaining you would not describe as "ragging"?

Post 41

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 12:14pm

Some people bemoan the splits and schisms that result in people leaving in a huff to start their own forums. I do not see this as necessarily bad. The wide variety of such forums with smaller numbers of active participants allows for a more intimate environment to allow for more opportunities for psychological visibility and bonding which all people crave.

I think this is a very helpful observation. I've been considering starting my own forum.

Post 42

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 3:06pm

As a correction, Jeremy was moderated for posting under multiple identities. The picture rule was in response to people trying to post in bad faith, as others have observed above. Sorry to feed the troll but I couldn't let my mistake sit uncorrected.

Post 43

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 4:49pm

Depends on the context, Jeremy. Given the issue, I consider it ragging.

Let it go. You aren't out anything.

Post 44

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 5:12pm

No, Jeremy, levity. Bill may be a whitehouse employee, but he's no stalker so far as I have seen, I actually like the guy.

I think bewailing the issue is silly at best and tiresome at least. When all is said and done, martyr complexes and intersite bitching is unappealing wherever it appears, good posts stand on their own. You have said plenty here that I've enjoyed. Unless you are in the 7th grade, I see little reason why you should be so sensitive about what otherwise amounts to gossip. I expect I shall say no more on this subject.

Ted

Post 45

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 9:00pm

As a correction, Jeremy was moderated for posting under multiple identities.

So what. There was no rule in effect that said such was disallowed.

Sorry to feed the troll but I couldn't let my mistake sit uncorrected.

Who are you calling a "troll"? Me?

I'm more than a little tired of this "troll" namecalling crap that I've had to endure from you smug, cloistered nerds. But, since you've seen fit to come over from SOLO to deliberately provoke me with outright lies that you know full well are lies, let me just meet you in what is obviously your preferred fighting zone, directly below the belt and offer you the following advice:

It would be a very good thing indeed for you to divert a meal or two from yourself and feed a few "trolls" now and then.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 5/07, 9:01pm)

Post 46

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 9:05pm

No, Jeremy, levity. Bill may be a whitehouse employee, but he's no stalker so far as I have seen, I actually like the guy.

I think bewailing the issue is silly at best and tiresome at least. When all is said and done, martyr complexes and intersite bitching is unappealing wherever it appears, good posts stand on their own. You have said plenty here that I've enjoyed. Unless you are in the 7th grade, I see little reason why you should be so sensitive about what otherwise amounts to gossip. I expect I shall say no more on this subject.

I am horrified that you can like someone who would relentlessly maintain such an outright lie, as he has about me. I guess I need to reassess you.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 5/07, 9:06pm)

Post 47

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 9:10pm

Depends on the context, Jeremy. Given the issue, I consider it ragging.

Let it go. You aren't out anything.

The context is obvious: I stood up to one of the dishonest bullies of their belligerent, drunken Aussie clique, and so they banned me for it and made up an outright smear campaign as reprisal.

Should I let it go because I'm not out anything? What if I told you that I think I am out something? What if I told you I think I'm out some degree of my reputation, as these malicious monkeys continue to get their childish kicks going around convincing and prejudicing others that my character is unsound?

How about that?

Post 48

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 9:22pm

Does being unhappy make you happy?

Ok Jeremy, one last time. I don't give a flying pig what anyone says about anyone. I am not quite sure what that lie of Bill's is that you are referring to. But I don't post on RoR so that I can hear how bad SOLO-P is, or vice versa.

Simply CONTRIBUTE.

You're somewhat interesting. And as far as I can tell, you might be Linz yourself in drag, here to advertise SOLO-P. (Although I guess that's bloody unlikely.) No one else here cares. Some of what you say has been most interesting. Stop dwelling on hurt feelings, and write a short article or contribute some quotes or links or polls or whatnot. You'll see our appreciation by the Atlas Points you earn. Playing the outraged victim will neither make you happy nor make anyone else admire you. No one here has asked you to leave. Just focus on value and not suffering.

Love,

Ted

(Oh and here's a suggestion. You said you like tomboys. Why not do a write-up on Diana Krall or Jodie Foster, and get your mind off less important things?)

Post 49

Monday, May 7, 2007 - 9:36pm

Playing the outraged victim

I'm not playing.

Post 50

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 7:41am

Jeremy: "The context is obvious: I stood up to one of the dishonest bullies of their belligerent, drunken Aussie clique, and so they banned me for it and made up an outright smear campaign as reprisal."

I haven't been interested in this issue, but I'd like to understand what exactly you mean by "smear campaign." How have you been smeared by people at SOLOP? A smear is a false label or accusation. Saying you were "moderated" instead of "banned" might seem like an unfair term to you, but it isn't a smear.

As I understand it, Lindsay Perigo didn't want a particular person posting on his website because of a past dispute. When he had reason to believe you were that person posting under a different name and asked you about it directly, you answered evasively (and annoyingly, IMO). Rather than spending time and energy investigating it further, he just kicked you off. What's the problem?

Post 51

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 12:10pm

Jon,

There's too much backstory here, that you obviously just don't know about, or are pretending to not know about in order to present things as much out of context as possible in an effort to bolster support for Lindsay's pattern of behavior. Where your true intentions lie is anyone's guess. Anyway, suffice it to say that no one behaves as I do out of nowhere.

And, no, despite what Lindsay and his little clique of incredibly unstable and gratuitously boisterous, bully-boy wannabes have to say about it, my behavior is not due to any "instability". That's just their desperate need to distract and divert criticism of their own instability onto a different target of their greater preference... namely, me and just about everyone else but themselves.

The obvious fact of the matter is that a bird fart in a hurricane has a longer half-life than Lindsay Perigo's friendship. The same goes for all his eager acolytes. Their constant, piranha-like devouring of all the most cherished members of their ever-reconstituting inner circle is proof enough of that. Try telling me how that's not really the true instability here.

As for why I assumed a second alias and went in there to post messages... Well, there aren't very many good online places to converse; in most cases, the quality just isn't there. Of course, apparently, the quality isn't at SOLO either... at least as far as their emotional stability goes, it's sad to say. They just can't evolve beyond their childhood need to suddenly play "enemy" with me, the instant they detect the tell-tale overtones in my writing.

For me to try going back there at all, I guess I was just that bored, lonely, and desperate, to think that perhaps, with all the old guard SOLO baboons having left or been run off by Lindsay and his mob, things had changed. I was naive enough to believe they might have evolved in three years. Clearly, some things never change. SOLO will always be a boys' treehouse.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 5/08, 12:13pm)

Post 52

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 12:22pm

Lindsay asked me point blank if I was Orion Reasoner. I replied, "Who is John Galt?"

I take it that this is a positive answer to Lindsay's question then?

Post 53

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 12:46pm

I take it that this is a positive answer to Lindsay's question then?

Well, it's certainly a proud one. *smiles*

Post 54

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 1:04pm

Jeremy: "There's too much backstory here, that you [Jon] obviously just don't know about, or are pretending to not know about in order to present things as much out of context as possible in an effort to bolster support for Lindsay's pattern of behavior."

I don't know the backstory, Jeremy. Honestly, I don't care. All I wanted to know were which false labels Lindsay or others had attached to you publicly, the ones that contradict reality and properly qualify as "smears," according to your own accusation. Examples would be "drug addict" or "rapist" or "nazi." I take it from your last post that nothing like those have been said. Saying he thinks your behavior was unstable doesn't qualify.

Jeremy: "As for why I assumed a second alias and went in there to post messages... Well, there aren't very many good online places to converse; in most cases, the quality just isn't there....For me to try going back there at all, I guess I was just that bored, lonely, and desperate, to think that perhaps, with all the old guard SOLO baboons having left or been run off by Lindsay and his mob, things had changed."

If you had honestly thought they had changed, then why didn't you come back with the same alias and ask if you could post again? Why make up a different name, and then when Lindsay asked who you are, respond evasively with "Who Is John Galt"? That doesn't seem like you believed "things had changed." It seems to me like you were trying to post where you knew you weren't wanted under a different cover. I have no personal link to Perigo, but being "bored, lonely, or desperate" doesn't justify using someone else's property against their will.

Post 55

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 1:37pm

If you had honestly thought they had changed, then why didn't you come back with the same alias and ask if you could post again? Why make up a different name, and then when Lindsay asked who you are, respond evasively with "Who Is John Galt"? That doesn't seem like you believed "things had changed." It seems to me like you were trying to post where you knew you weren't wanted under a different cover. I have no personal link to Perigo, but being "bored, lonely, or desperate" doesn't justify using someone else's property against their will.

Well, that's actually not true. Lindsay advertises that he has an "open" site, and that he never has anyone banned from his site. So, I took him at his word and went in there, just to see how true that was.

Sure enough, it wasn't. It was self-promoting dishonesty. I soon was banned. I was able to log in, but not do anything more than that. That's banning.

The whole point of all this, has been to prove that, yes, Lindsay and SOLO do ban. Apparently, they have just decided to call it something else.

When they don't like what you have to say, they do not want you on their "open" forums, saying it. They would rather ban you and conspire to make up slanderous reasons as to why they "didn't" ban you. It's all full of holes.

Post 56

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 1:47pm

I don't know the backstory, Jeremy. Honestly, I don't care.

I see.

All I wanted to know were which false labels Lindsay or others had attached to you publicly, the ones that contradict reality and properly qualify as "smears," according to your own accusation. Examples would be "drug addict" or "rapist" or "nazi." I take it from your last post that nothing like those have been said. Saying he thinks your behavior was unstable doesn't qualify.

Ohhhh. I see even more now.

When you say that honestly, you "don't care", you don't care about engaging in any thought or discussion that would support my position... but you do clearly care deeply about engaging in all manner of thought and discussion that undermines my position. After all, you are clearly putting a lot of energy into evaluating my claims as to the "smears" that have been issued against me. You care very deeply about coming up with a way to hog-tie and corral this discussion, through trying to dictatorially define what are the only "acceptable" smear terms, such as "drug addict", "rapist", and all that.

That's a pretty sweet set-up. This way, you strategically attempt to have dismissed as valid, my obviously valid claims that the SOLO conspiracists calling me such things as "genocidist", "troll", and "unstable" are all smears.

That's pretty good, Jon. You should go work for the Federal Reserve. I'm sure they would love to have such a devoted Sophist such as yourself doing publicity work for them.

I understand completely now. When you say that honestly, you "don't care"... you mean only selectively and self-servingly. Gotcha.

(Edited by Jeremy M. LeRay on 5/08, 1:49pm)

Post 57

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 5:16pm

Jeremy, a personal question.

How old are you?

Post 58

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 5:54pm

To Luke Setzer

So, I take it that you are into Second Life? I signed up, but I don't have the requisite hardware or connections as yet. I really want to do it completely mobile, on a LINUX laptop with that cool Athlon X2 processor, but so far they can't seem to confirm that it is possible or what particular machines will work with wireless, if any.

Any hints?

Oh, BTW, there was a 2nd Life seminar at Califur. The furry crowd is jumping into VR bigtime now, like hand in glove, considering that not only are most of them major computer nerds, but also that a high percentage can actually do art of a kind very similar to what is marketable as well as usable in 2nd Life or other upcoming VRs. And of course, in 2nd Life, they can do without the expensive and hot costume, and just make an avatar to match their furry fantasy.

Post 59

Tuesday, May 8, 2007 - 5:57pm