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The following article was written by Stefan Molyneux who makes an excellent argument favoring market anarchism for all modern civilized societies.

The article, complete with, charts can be read here:

http://freedomain.blogspot.com/2006/...-crazy-or.html

"....‘Market anarchism’ is a broad term referring to the theory that voluntary free market relationships can * and should * replace all existing coercive state relationships. It is derived from taking the principle of the non-initiation of force to its ultimate conclusion, and accepting that if using violence is wrong for one person, then it is wrong for every person. If stealing is wrong for me as a private citizen, then it is also wrong for everyone * including those in the ‘government’.

Much like the theory of relativity, the consistent application of this simple principle can produce rather startling conclusions. If the initiation of force is wrong, then governments as a whole are immoral institutions. Since the only moral agent is the individual (governments don’t ‘act’), then no individual can claim opposing moral rules based on a membership in a certain ‘club’ such as the government. Logically, a man can’t be subject to one moral rule while sitting at home (thou shalt not kill), and then be subject to a completely opposite moral rule when he puts on a uniform. The same is true for property rights. If all men have property rights, then no man can morally take the property of another man.

Of course, most people feel very uncomfortable with the idea that society can exist without a government. It might be worth understanding the ‘market anarchist’ responses to typical objections, just for the sake of clarification.

For instance, market anarchists are always asked how a stateless society could deal with violent criminals. We have some excellent answers, of course, but the most relevant is this: The vast majority of evils in this world are not committed by private criminals, but by governments.

Or, to put it another way: The greatest danger to human life is not private vice, but public ‘virtue’.

In the 20th century alone, credible estimates for the numbers of citizens directly murdered by governments stands at 262 million people.

Picture this: if the average height of each victim was 5’, laid out end-to-end, the corpses would circle the globe 10 times. This number is 6 times the number killed in all wars in the 20th century. To this figure we can also add others, such as the number killed by wars - 38.5 million, as well the 60 million killed by malaria as a direct result of worldwide governmental bans on DDT. There are many other ways in which people get killed by government policies, such as:

- general poverty due to central planning

- increased infant morality

- decreased life expectancy

- illnesses resulting from poor public sanitation

- malnutrition

- lack of access to medical supplies/services

- …and countless more!

We could add other crimes as well, such as the endless kidnapping and imprisonment involved in police states and the ‘war on drugs’? The US prison population rose from 488,000 in 1985 to 1.3 million in 2001 to 2.2 million today * half of which are non-violent criminals! One in five US inmates is sexually assaulted? What about the abuse that occurs in state-run orphanages or homes for the elderly? What about the conditions on the native reservations throughout North America? What about the mental and physical abuse that occurs in state schools? What about the family violence that occurs in regimes that do not recognize the rights of women or children? What about the constant infanticide and abortions in China? What about the endless, endless theft of taxation?

Do you see what I mean about prioritizing risks to human life and security?

State crimes are also qualitatively different from private crimes. There are many steps that a citizen can take to reduce the likelihood of being victimized by private criminals. From security systems to doormen to moving to a better neighborhood, citizens can directly reduce their risks. For instance, about two-thirds of murder victims knew their murderers * so just hang with the right crowd, and your risk drops significantly. 75% of recent murders in New York were directly related to the drug trade, so stay away from dealing and you’re that much safer!

Contrast that to government crimes. What can you do to protect yourself against taxation? Nothing. Everywhere you go, you are taxed. Want to take up arms against the Gestapo? Good luck. Want to escape senseless regulations? Pray for a libertarian afterlife.

Of course, the opposing argument is that criminal violence is like an inverted bell-curve * lots of state power = lots of violence, and also no state power = lots of violence. However, statistics rarely bear that out. For instance, In 1900, when the government was many times smaller, the U.S. homicide rate was estimated at 1 per 100,000. In 2003, FBI statistics put the rate at 5.7 per 100,000.

In general, within each country, the smaller the government, the lower the violent crime rate * and so who can definitively say that ‘no government’ will naturally produce more crime? It would be like saying: my health improves when my cancer shrinks, but will surely worsen if it disappears completely!

If we are truly concerned with human suffering, we must rank threats rationally. We must deal with the most life-threatening problems first, and only then proceed to lesser dangers. What would we think of a ER doctor who treated a hangnail before dealing with a spurting artery? When citizens face far more danger from government officials than private criminals, is it rational to use our fear of criminals to shy away from exploring the possibility of a stateless society? Of course not! Refusing to consider market anarchism for fear of criminals is like refusing to treat a man dying of cancer because he might someday be hit by a bus.

“Sure,” you might say, “I understand that dictatorships kill lots of people, but we’re all against totalitarianism * just because ‘too much’ state is bad doesn’t automatically mean that ‘any’ state is equally bad!”

I fully understand and sympathize with the intellectual appeal of a ‘small state’, and would find it very compelling, except for historical and current realities, which show that governments never ever stay small. Like a cancer, they continually expand. The smallest state that ever came into being * the American Republic * lasted less than a century before dissolving into internal wars, state-run banking, foreign entanglements, ever-escalating taxation and crushing national debts. For example, the graph below shows US government spending and taxation as a percentage of GDP since 1929.




And, of course, the vast majority of spending increases are on social programs * or, more simply, voter bribing:



Naturally, this rise in government spending increasingly displaces private (voluntary) sectors, just as a cancer displaces healthy cells:


The shortfall in US spending ($47 trillion dollars as of 2004) will inevitably result in either totalitarianism or bankruptcy (or both!).

There are many reasons for the inevitable increases in state power and corruption, but the main point here is that even if we were able to magically reduce state power to purely Constitutional levels, it would take less than a generation or two for the self-destructive growth to start again.

The government, as an agency of violence, can never be controlled. Like slavery, it can neither be reformed nor ‘managed’, since its very premise * the initiation of the use of force * is immoral, irrational and, in the long run, utterly impractical.

In my view, the libertarian movement is floundering not because we advocate too much freedom, but rather because we do not advocate enough freedom. Our moral vision is constantly compromised and diluted by the violence we advocate for the sake of our ‘small state’ position. But either violence is right or it is wrong. If it is right, how can we quibble about the degree of violence used by the state?

If it is wrong, how can we approve of even a small state?"

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Wednesday, July 12, 2006 - 1:30pmSanction this postReply
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Been there.

Refuted that.

(Scroll down to the subsection titled "Anarchism vs. Limited Government.")


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"I fully understand and sympathize with the intellectual appeal of a ‘small state’, and would find it very compelling, except for historical and current realities, which show that governments never ever stay small."

True. However, looking at history just isn't encouraging for any lover of liberty; the historical track record of anything approaching market anarchism is pretty sad as well. But as I point out to the staunch minarchists too, when you're aiming for >95% less government, it doesn't make sense to focus on arguing about the last 5% now.


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Leo Gold wrote,
If the initiation of force is wrong, then governments as a whole are immoral institutions. Since the only moral agent is the individual (governments don’t ‘act’), then no individual can claim opposing moral rules based on a membership in a certain ‘club’ such as the government. Logically, a man can’t be subject to one moral rule while sitting at home (thou shalt not kill), and then be subject to a completely opposite moral rule when he puts on a uniform. The same is true for property rights. If all men have property rights, then no man can morally take the property of another man.
What about a government that is limited to defending people's rights? If it's okay for an individual to defend himself, then why isn't it okay for a government to defend him?

Besides, people have to decide what constitutes the initiation of force and what doesn't. Is abortion murder, or is a fetus a non-person? Is capital punishment murder, or does it violate the rights of a convicted murderer? Is consensual sex with someone under the age of 16 statutory rape or is it a legitimate voluntary activity? Does a rock band playing loud music until 4 in the morning violate the rights of neighbors to get a good night's sleep, or is it a simple exercise of free expression? Someone must decide these things and then deal with them if they occur. If each individual can arrive at his own decision on the matter and then try to enforce it, what is the result? It is anarchy, i.e., chaos and violence.

If we want peaceful, harmonious relations, then a government - a single, enforceable code of laws - is necessary, and this is true even for a society of libertarians, unless they all magically agree with one another on the proper use of retaliatory force.

- Bill

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 4:49amSanction this postReply
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when you're aiming for >95% less government, it doesn't make sense to focus on arguing about the last 5% now.
A great point Aaron. Another thing, anarchists argue that a small state eventually will eventually grow back into a large state. By that same logic, wouldn't no state, eventually evolve into a small state etc.?

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 6:17amSanction this postReply
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By that same logic, wouldn't no state, eventually evolve into a small state etc.?
Not if the "state/country" was owned by a corporation that administered it.


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Why don't we see if we can even achieve something as miraculous as a small state again, and go from there?

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Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 10:53amSanction this postReply
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Only if I can buy stock in it. -_^

-- Bridget

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Thanks for the post.  Persuasion is difficult, but worth the effort.  Those who are open to new ideas accept them when they are logically consistent and therefore consonant with reality.  You will find several threads on RoR, such as "Police Forces and Courts of Law" in Dissent.  Feel free to add your insights.

We have to make our own choice in life, of course.  For me, market anarchism is not the way things should be, but the way things are.  "If there were no government there would be gangs of looters..."  Right!  Welcome to the real world.  The solution is not to convince or convert millions of others but to find your own way in an unfree world. 

When you need protection for your property, engage market solutions.
When you need to resolve a difference with a client, engage market solutions.

You are perfectly free to wait until you are robbed to call the police and then complain when nothing happens, until they arrest and convict an innocent person to close the case.  You are also free to find a solution that works.  Each person decides.


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Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:22pmSanction this postReply
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Bill Dwyer asserted: "If we want peaceful, harmonious relations, then a government - a single, enforceable code of laws - is necessary, and this is true even for a society of libertarians, unless they all magically agree with one another on the proper use of retaliatory force."
Magic agreement is what it takes, William.  Who decides? How do they decide?  What prevents injustice?  The Constitution of the United States is fine piece of machinery, but, no sooner was it enacted then it was stretched out of shape to fit new circumstances -- and new interpretations.... 

What gave the Supreme Court the right to declare a law "unconstitutional"?  That was never contemplated before Marbury v. Madison.  We accept it today -- we accept it so thoroughly that in my last poli sci class -- taught by a former 3-term Congresssional rep -- the instructor mistakenly claimed that the power to declare laws unconstitutional was one of the "checks and balances" of the original document ... which it was not, of course.  She did not make the mistake again.  It was just a slip of the tongue, but to me it illuminated how far we have come, how quickley and deeply we accept the status quo.

Of course, the fact all virtually all teachers go through the same tax-funded educational training system means that at best, you might get a political "conservative" for a political science teacher, but basically, all education is directed toward propaganda for the state.

So, otherwise insightful thinkers find government easy to understand.
...  a single, enforceable code of laws ...
... one Ring to rule them all
and in the Darkness bind them!


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Thursday, July 13, 2006 - 12:37pmSanction this postReply
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Been there.
Refuted that.
(Scroll down to the subsection titled "Anarchism vs. Limited Government.")  -- Robert Bidinotto

It was all OK, Bob.  I liked the casting of Atlas more.  I did not "get" the "Yoda on the O'Reilly Factor" thing because I have never seen O'Reilly.  I agree with Yoda: Wars do not make one great.   I also so parallels to Star Wars in the current events, with President Bush in the role of Jar-Jar Binks: "Me-sa think civil liberties must be suspended to ensure order!"  All in favor, say "Aye."  And the senate gives emergency powers to the Lord Palpatine, Dick Cheney.

Be all that as it may, to say that government "allows" markets for protection and adjudication within a framework of law is to say that the government "allows" competition, as long as it does not get out of hand.

The relationship between market alternatives and the government is the relationship between Hank Rearden and Wesley Mouch.  "You'll do something."  No matter what they do, we always find some way to live, to carry them along, to "make it work" to avoid disaster. 

There is no middle ground, Robert.

A or non-A.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 7/13, 12:59pm)


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Aaron: "... when you're aiming for >95% less government, it doesn't make sense to focus on arguing about the last 5% now."
95% of the disease in the world before the 20th century was prevented with soap and hot water, regularly applied.  Then came antibiotics.  Then came antiviral agents. 

95% of the misery in the world was cured by the industrial revolution and capitalism.  Then, we limited government -- though we still have outbreaks (like right now in Israel and Palestine).  Further investigation developed the theory of "market anarchism." 

"Individual freedom in an unfree world" is to our 18th century constitution what nanotechnology is to Jenner's vaccine.

Sure, if you do not wash your hands, then all the antibiotics and vaccines (and surgeries) won't help.  So, too, is there no "silver bullet" against government, no market mechanism that can "cure" it. 

We just have to start getting people to "wash their hands" of government.  Then, we can use "nanarchotechnology" --

-- but in the mean time, "nanarchotechnology" is still a valid study.


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What about a government that is limited to defending people's rights?

It's NEVER existed. Is there such a thing? What limits the government? What happens when that government decides to go beyond those limits. You are advocating something that has NEVER existed.

I would love to have a government that is limited to defending people's right? How do we get there? How do we keep it?

How do you create something that has NEVER existed? If it was so easy to establish a government that is limited to defending people's rights, one has to wonder why it has not been done already. It has NEVER been done.

Governments NEVER have been limited to defending people's rights. So, you are suggesting that the government should do something that it has NEVER done before. Are you also going to suggest that men should get pregnant and have babies? I figure a pregnant man has a better change of happening.

That's a good question, which is more likely to happen:

A pregnant man
A government that is limited to defending people's rights

My money is on the pregnant man.


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Okay, Chris, what's the alternative? Anarchy? You think that's better? You think that a society in which anyone who wants to can make his own laws and enforce them is superior? There's already a term for that. It's called "civil war."

You argue that there's never been a government limited to defending people's rights. Excuse me, but there's never been a society of any kind, with or without a government, limited to defending people's rights. Neither has there been a society limited to recognizing individual rights. Is that an argument against trying to establish such a society? No? Then the fact that there's never been a government limited to respecting people's rights is no argument against trying to establish such a government.

- Bill

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Competing defense agencies will merely become de facto governments...of the worst kind.  A far better long term solution for humanity's problems would be one global minarchist state, with one currency based on the gold standard.  The problem of war would be solved, and trade and prosperity would flourish.  Haven't yet figured out how to implement this one, though.

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Pete wrote,
Competing defense agencies will merely become de facto governments...of the worst kind.
I agree.
A far better long term solution for humanity's problems would be one global minarchist state, with one currency based on the gold standard. The problem of war would be solved, and trade and prosperity would flourish. Haven't yet figured out how to implement this one, though.
I see a problem with a world government. For one thing, if the government becomes oppressive, where are you going to go? For another, a world government would remove any incentive that would otherwise exist for the government to change its policies, if they were causing its citizens to emigrate to another state. The more governments that exist, the more alternatives people have, if they don't like the state in which they are currently living. Under multiple governments, people can vote with their feet. Under a single government, they lose that option.

I don't see war as a problem, so long as it is understood that no government may properly attack another - that the only proper use of violence in international affairs is self-defense.

However, I agree that a single currency based on a precious metal like gold would be a big improvement over the different forms of fiat money that we are now forced to deal with.

- Bill

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Michael,

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The Constitution of the United States is fine piece of machinery, but, no sooner was it enacted then it was stretched out of shape to fit new circumstances -- and new interpretations....

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... and there are 2 reasons for that ...

1) federal regulation of interstate commerce

2) the use of the phrase "promote the general welfare"

These 2 reasons, explain all legal positivism departures from the Declaration and subsequent Constitution. The first reason is obviously bunk. Whatever the initial reasons to limit interstate commerce -- this 'anti-dote' was more lethal than the original 'poison'.

The second reason, regarding General Welfare, trades on an ambiguity. It just so happens that what it is that is in the General Welfare -- is Justice and the upholding of Individual Rights.

There's no doubt the Founding Fathers saw this (just integrate it with other things they wrote), and Rand saw this, and so can I. The trouble is, to get our contemporaries to see it, too.

The 'problem' with the Constitution -- is not intractable. It's merely a matter of semantics. Something folks in their teens could fix.

Ed
[Fact: Our 'Declaration' was an instance of right superceding might]

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This is wrong to say:

That's a good question, which is more likely to happen:

A pregnant man
A government that is limited to defending people's rights

My money is on the pregnant man.

The reason is that no matter what you may think now of the difficulty, it is always possible to change what man has invented (government).  Ayn Rand made this very clear (though I cannot find the quote) in saying that things done by man can be changed - they are not the same as say, the laws of biology or physics, which cannot be changed no matter what one wished.

As to overall on the thread - I think that competition among governments is one of the benefits of globalism, in that the more people are free to interact economically, physically, and verbally (such as the internet, cell phones, etc.), the more likely there is to be less repression.  If a government is not competitive it will lose its best and brightest, the only thing they can do is change or become totally repressive, and that no longer works once the majority of the people have opened up and won't accept that.

That is the goal of the terrorists and dictators, because if they let globalism in they know they will lose.  That is why they want to get the world to go away - to disengage - so they can keep their big fish in a stagnant pond status.


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William Dwyer wrote: I see a problem with a world government. For one thing, if the government becomes oppressive, where are you going to go? For another, a world government would remove any incentive...  Under multiple governments...
What makes a government?

How small an entity can have autonomy?  Can I have "State of Michael?"  Can you be "The Republic of William"?  Why not?

If many smaller governments are better than one biggest of all possible, then where do you draw the line?

To me, as an anarchist, and being intellectually honest, as an Objectivist, I agree with the one-worlders.  If there is to be a government, then it should be global and constitutionally limited.  But, as Dwyer points out, it would only be a matter of time...  and there would be no place to go...  which is one of the failures of any theory of government.  What would allow a constitutionally-limited world government would be an intellectually active globally enacted philosophy of reason.  Philosophy comes first.  In advocating "anarchy" (so-called), I only point out what  is , not what I dream should be.
I don't see war as a problem, so long as it is understood that no government may properly attack another - that the only proper use of violence in international affairs is self-defense.

Well, William, there have been some bold exceptions, such as the Mongol Horde, but, basically, most so-called "attacks" were in fact only a "retaliation" to a previous injury. Those who launch wars will be happy to explain that to you.  In fact, check out today's CNN for a continuing drama of misery that must be 5000 years old, if it is 50.

What makes a government?
Does it have to have control over a contiguous geography?  If so, then Hawaii properly is not part of the United States.  Who would rule the Dodecanese Islands, except that each would be independent, and Long Island granted statehood within the American Federal union? 

If a government need not be able to exert control over a contiguous geography, then the Catholic Church is to be recognized as a government, independent and parallel to the many secular governments on the mundane level. 

 Here is a link to international labor unions: http://www.afscme.org/otherlnk/weblnk03.htm 

Here is a link to international scientific organizations: http://www7.nationalacademies.org/biso/

These bodies do, indeed, enact sanctions against members who break their rules.  They are governments in every sense of the word.  That they do not incarcerate or execute transgressors is but a detail.  They fine members.  They expel people.  They sanction... and withdraw sanctions.  Some governments today do not have capital punishment.  (In 2005, 94 per cent of all known executions took place in China, Iran, Saudi Arabia and the USA.)  They are governments nonetheless, the lack of capital punishment notwithstanding.  If they had completely restitutional legal systems, they would still be governments.  And those international labor unions, churches, etc., are all voluntary organizations.

Anarchy is not a theory.  It is a practice.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 7/14, 7:14am)


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William Dwyer made this point: You think that a society in which anyone who wants to can make his own laws and enforce them is superior? There's already a term for that. It's called "civil war."
The American civil war was one of the few that actually was not a "civil war."  The South did not want to control the North from Washington DC.  They were not two groups arguing over the same geography.  On the other hand, Europe's modern wars are an ongoing civil war.
European Civil War
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
The "European Civil War" is a debated period in history between the beginning of the Franco-Prussian War on July 19, 1870 and end of the European portion of World War II on May 8, 1945. The concept is a minority interest within academics but growing in prominence as Europe progressively integrates into a single nation state.
The proposed period would include many (but not all) of the major European regime changes to occur during the period. Those who support the position point to the level of international involvement in the Spanish Civil War and, occasionally, the Russian Civil War to back their claims.

The ongoing misery in Palestine is a civil war.  Kashmir... Sudan... most of the wars are civil wars, in which two (or more) groups attempt to control the same geography.

So, William Dwyer described not what "would" happen with anarchy, but what we have today, with government.

What I advocate is Harry Browne's "freedom in an unfree world."  If you have property to protect, hire an agency.  Do not rely on the local police who follow the "soviet agriculture model" of protection.  If you have enough commerce to merit detailed contracts, then rely on "arbitration clauses" to keep yourself and your clients out of government (soviety agriculture) courts.  Private security begins much earlier than the contracting of patrollers.  It starts with signs that declare your property, fences, gates, camera, locks ... your security begins, not with governmentally retaliating against others, but with preventing your victimhood.  Like all crimes of aggression, government is just another that depends on the sanction of the victim.
 


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