How do you handle times in an intimate relationship when things don't go smoothly; when you've been with someone for some time, have strong feelings for her, but also feel something's not right?

 
I won’t waste more time on all this bitchin’’
The colonel and I took off to the kitchen.

It seems to me a travesty

That we must be correct politically

In a place where we, as benevolent folk

Occasionally like to post a joke

That women are women and men are men

Seems to come up time and again

But to anger at obvious stereotypes

Means one buys in to all the hype

If the shoe doesn’t fit, wear it not

And you won’t find yourselves an angry lot

If silliness a virtue be

Let’s not take such things so seriously

 

(Edited by Jennifer Iannolo on 4/09, 9:40pm)

However, we also should not be afraid to express our true opinions for fear that somebody might label us "politically correct".

That women are women and men are men

Seems to come up time and again

No, I've never seen the other side of the joke (male bashing) from a female on SOLO.

If silliness a virtue be

Let’s not take such things so seriously

Again, we can't not cheat our feelings.

I'll cite Robert Malcom one more time, and drop the whole thing, for now.

It may all be a joke - but it strikes me as another of those 'good ol boys' kind of jokes which - in fact - do put down the women.... I can understand Hong's dislike of it - for good reason, for it does indeed reflect an infantilistic attitude.....
 

But the Rules for Men are not a piss-take of men. They’re an attack on women. For example: “If you think you are fat, you probably are. Do not ask us.” This is not a joke about men. It’s an aggressive put-down of women.

This is where Luke has misfired. Most of us have seen the Rules for Women in our travels, and they're mildly amusing because of the tension between the surface meaning and the “real” meaning.

By contrast, the Rules for Men in effect say: “Shut your mouth, bitch!” So they’re amusing if you’re on top, as it were, but not quite so funny if you’re on the receiving end.

Brendan

I am in shape. Round is a shape.

Thank you Luther for speaking your mind.  It is not or ever has been my intention to censor you. You think what you think and I think what I think. Like I said earlier, coming from just about anyone else here the joke would not have been an issue for me at all. I’m really not that PC. I enjoy pretty wicked humor myself.

My main issue with this is that you are the voice of Solo to the outside world. There are certain responsibilities that come with your position here. Many have expressed concern with the fact that there are far more men than women objectivists. Something like a four to one ratio. This concerns me as well. When our “one small voice” continually and intentionally puts out off color jokes, which he knows would be offensive to women, it doesn’t do much for the recruiting efforts now, does it? I’ll say it again…

A Solo leader should set an example
To draw both sexes to taste a sample

Maybe it is not obvious to you, but it is clear as day to me. As for obvious recourse, apparently you figured that one out on your own. Remember no wanking in the kitchen.