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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 12:58amSanction this postReply
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Mine was "openness" (scored 99), which leads me to believe that this study employs a definition of that term that is infinitely better than most popular uses of it.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 1:46amSanction this postReply
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Gee, mine too:

Extraversion 69
Agreeableness 46
Conscientiousness 93
Emotional Stability 58
Openness 99

Unlike most other "personality tests" this one seems to have a sound theoretical basis. Percentiles go 0-99, so it looks like there's two or more of us on SOLO at the top of this one.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 1:51amSanction this postReply
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Mine is openness too Andrew with a 98. My emotional stability hit 86 and it can only be so high because everyone else is so whacked out.

They describe openness as "a dimension of cognitive style that distinguishes imaginative, creative people from down-to-earth, conventional people." Creativity and down-to-earth-ity are not opposites. I consider myself intensely down-to-earth at the level where people are living their lives.

What do you think of their use of  "down-to-earth" Andrew?


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 2:58amSanction this postReply
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Here's mine. Short summary:

Extraversion: 90 (average 4.8, 90th percentile)
Agreeableness: 14 (average 3.2, 14th percentile)
Conscientiousness: 4 (average 2.9, 4th percentile)
Emotional Stability: 4 (average 2.55, 4th percentile)
Openness: 99 (average 5.6, 99th percentile)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 4:44amSanction this postReply
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Hey,

No one has scored agreeableness highly yet.

Maybe we are all just all lousy drunken alcoholics? ;-)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 8:09amSanction this postReply
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Perhaps, but I think it results of the term "we are not agreeable to people that are just detestable!", some sort of none-appeasement (in contrast to current mainstream believe of appeasement of everyone you don't like :) ).

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 8:09amSanction this postReply
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Yeah, I got a super high, 99 on openness, too.

My emotional stability sucks, evidently because work is so frustrating on a daily basis. Or because I am a raging alcoholic.

I got in the 82nd percentile for agreeable, tho.

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 8:13amSanction this postReply
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Extraversion:             50
Agreeable:                46
Conscientiousness:    84
Emotional Stability:   66
Openness:                96

And apparently one of the least disagreeable people here...  (Scott DeSalvo does not look very agreeable, no matter what the tests say.)  Marcus's quip: "Maybe we are all just all lousy drunken alcoholics? ;-)" is not far from the mark.  Alcohol is one thing, socialization is another and we are all against socialization
It might be interesting to see one of these tests written by an Objectivist. 

I took a test for paranoia once (it was a general study, not an in-patient survey, honest) and one of the questions was "T/F: Animals make fun of me behind my back."  Hell, no! Animals make fun of me to my face!

I was not surprised to see that Adam Reed is conscientious.  He is definitely the neat-as-a-pin type.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 8/02, 8:14am)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 8:16amSanction this postReply
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"Maybe we are all just all lousy drunken alcoholics?"

Well I certainly am. Once I sober up, maybe I'll see if I can figure out the test...Is there a passing score? (burp).

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 8:18amSanction this postReply
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Wait a minute. I just sobered up: a webmaster who is only in the 4th percentile on conscientiousness?!!$%#*(&^$+_@@!

We're lucky the website works at all...

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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 8:20amSanction this postReply
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I've had a couple of wild New Years does that count ?(burp) :-).

Jim


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 9:38amSanction this postReply
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Looks like the trend in my test scores is opposite to others - high on Conscientiousness and Emotional Stability, average on Agreeableness, and low on Extraversion and Openness. Now be careful, and be very careful... ;-^
(Edited by Hong Zhang on 8/02, 10:15am)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 9:57amSanction this postReply
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Huh...I took it twice in 5 hours, because I forgot to save the link to my score...the first time I rated high on conscientiousness, the second time I rated high on openness...

What remained the same was average on agreeableness, and low on extraversion, and emotional stability.

I did not think I was emotionally unstable...

Bah, psychobabble. (Shoe hits monitor...).



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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 10:12amSanction this postReply
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Very interesting results from taking this. I scored:

Extraversion 50  (that's me all over, an "ambivert," as my MBTI shows)
Agreeableness 79 (this is more in the Feeling direction than my MBTI shows)
Conscientiousness 79 (this is more in the Judging direction than my MBTI shows)
Emotional Stability 18 (this is about what my MBTI shows)
Openness 98 (this is about what my MBTI shows)

Some comments on the Big 5 (NEO-PI) profile in re MBTI:

Correlation studies have shown a fairly close relationship between these five scales of the Big 5 and the four main scales plus "Comfort-Discomfort" scale of the MBTI. (In fact, the "Comfort-Discomfort" scale was only added to the MBTI recently, after years of that data being suppressed because of its tendency to be misused by therapists and counselors. The  

In particular, there is a very strong correlation between the Extraversion scales of the two indicators. Having a low Big 5 score on this scale suggests that you are strongly introverted -- and there is nothing wrong with that. My score is right on the midpoint, which is how it came out when I took the expanded form of the MBTI about 10 years ago. I am what some would call an "ambivert." But the truth of it is that there are five subscales, some of which show me as strongly extraverted, and some as strongly introverted. Extraversion/introversion is not a simple personality attribute, but a complex of several narrower aspects of personality, such as expressiveness, enthusiasm, sociality, etc., and there are quiet extraverts and expressive introverts, etc. Being both a bookworm/intellectual/hermit and a performing musician is probably why my score appears to be so "wishy-washy." :-)

Agreeableness correlates moderately well with the Feeling end of the MBTI's Thinking/Feeling scale. In other words, to have a low Agreeableness score would suggest that you register as a strong Thinking type on the MBTI. My own Big 5 result suggests that I am more Agreeable than most Thinking types, which is probably true. (And if you don't agree, you can go f*** yourself. :-)

Conscientiousness similarly correlates moderately well with the Judging end of the MBTI's Judging/Perceiving (order vs. flow, closure vs. open-ended, etc.) scale. In other words, to have a high Conscientiousness score would suggest that you register as a strong Judging type on the MBTI. (It appears that a good number of Objectivists are INTJ types, for instance, so they ought to show as having low Agreeableness and high Conscientiousness on the Big 5.) Again, my Big 5 results suggests that I am more Conscientious than most Perceiving types (which jibes with my very week Perceiving score on the MBTI).

Emotional Stability is the Big 5 equivalent of MBTI's Comfort scale. Since I have a malevolent sense of life and deficient self esteem, being pessimistic and unconfident and all that, I consistently show up on the low end of this scale on both the Big 5 and the MBTI. However, since I tend to be introverted, I usually don't act out this part of my personality with tantrums and blowups, but instead engage in cowardly, hit-and-run, sniper tactics or passive-aggressive behavior or some such. :-)  Seriously, this aspect of my personality does hold me back from being as accomplished and happy in life as I would like to be. Let's just say I'm working on it. And having the love of a good woman really helps.

Openness correlates moderately well with the Intuitive end of the MBTI's Sensing/Intuiting scale. I'm not surprised to see a lot of Objectivists score high on the Openness scale, for it suggests that they would register as a strong Intuitive type on the MBTI. And by Intuitive is meant not "mystical," but oriented toward possibilities, abstract thinking, etc. But it is not accurate to think of Sensing preference as being "concrete-bound," any more than it is to think of Intuiting preference as being "disconnected from reality." These are just preferences in how to deal with ideas, not all-or-nothing pigeon holes. (Except for certain people on SOLO, but I'm not going to name names. :-)

The Big 5 (NEO-PI) and the Expanded form of the MBTI are both really helpful, nuanced tools for understanding your personality. There is a convergence between these two schools of thought that has been taking shape for 10-15 years now, and I heartily recommend either indicator, in its full, expanded form (not the simplified forms that are available in books like David Keirsey's or on some websites).

Best to all,
Roger Bissell (weak)INT(weak)P--emotional loose cannon :-)


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 10:50amSanction this postReply
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Extraversion:             99
Agreeable:                99
Conscientiousness:    99
Emotional Stability:   76
Openness:                99


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 10:57amSanction this postReply
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Ethan Dawe:

Extraversion:             99
Agreeable:                99
Conscientiousness:    99
Emotional Stability:   76
Openness:                99

 
Freak! ;-)


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I never claimed not to be :-)

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How on earth did you answer this poll then?

You score highest on 4 out of 5.


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I just answered as honestly as I could. Had I taken this test 10 years ago, hell even 3 years ago, I would have had much lower scores.

Ethan


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Tuesday, August 2, 2005 - 11:17amSanction this postReply
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Guys, one of the weaknesses of the Big 5 (NEO-PI) is to assume that the high scores are "good" scores, and that there is something "wrong" with you if you have a low score. Part of the problem is in the labels. Big 5 says you're either conscientious or non-conscientious (or somewhere in between, and you'd better get your act together, buster). MBTI says you're Judging (prefering order, closure, etc. vs. flow, open-ended, etc.) The metaphor I like best is the ant vs. the grasshopper. The ant (a conscientious J-type) put away goods for the winter, while the grasshopper (a procrastinating P-type) fiddled away the days and was without food when the cold weather came. There is a lesson there. But it is equally true that J's have a tendency to leap to premature closure in order to expeditiously carry out their responsibilities, while P's have a tendency to more carefully weigh the options and not foreclose possibilities before it's absolutely necessary. So, in some respects, being P is a virtue, too. Context is everything. Which means that labeling one end of this continuum as a virtue and the other end as the lack of a virtue is misleading and potentially pushing people to disown valuable aspects of their personalities.

To say that Ethan's scores are all "good" (I note that his extended profile shows his MBTI type to be ENFJ, which is exactly what you would expect from a Big 5 score as extraverted, open, agreeable, and conscientious) is to say that a Big 5 introverted, non-open, non-agreeable, and non-conscientious (corresponding to an MBTI ISTP) type is "bad." But perhaps that's true, because I'm pretty sure that all of the following are ISTPs: Nathaniel and Barbara Branden, George Reisman, Edith Efron, Murray Rothbard, John Hospers, and Chris Sciabarra. (I'm suspect, because I'm an INTP, only one letter away from MBTI/Big 5 "badness.") Just kidding, of course, but I hope you get my point about the Big 5 scales. That really is a weakness of their model.

Best to all,
REB


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