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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 9:42amSanction this postReply
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Whenever I'm involved in a discussion about the economy and the "evils of Capitalism", the need for labor unions invariably enters the conversation.  Does Objectivism consider unions to be intrinsically evil?  If so, why?
Thanks,
Glenn


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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 9:57amSanction this postReply
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I'm at work so I can't find quotes to back this up, but my reading indicates that Objectivism doesn't include any principle that is contrary to voluntary unions or trade organizations. The issue at hand is the use of coercive techniques and gov't influence by a union to achieve or protect a monopoly on labor. The plot of "Atlas Shrugged" is basically a strike by a voluntary union of industrialists and professionals.

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 10:06amSanction this postReply
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Ayn Rand herself did not disapprove of unions.

From Objectiviely Speaking, pg. 215:

"Unemployment is created by artificial labor legislation.I am not an enemy of labor unions. Quite the contrary. I think they re the only decent group today, ideologically. I think they are the ones who will save this country and capitalism, if anybody can. But the one flaw is that the labor unions are government-enforced and thus become a monopoly, able to command higher wages than the market can offer. This union power creates the unemployable. It creates this vast group of people, the unskilled laborers, who have no place to go for work. The artificial boosting of the skilled laborer's income causes unemployment on the lower rungs of society. Every welfare measure works that way.

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 1:47pmSanction this postReply
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Joe, I'm not familiar with "Objectively Speaking" - is this a new book?

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 3:00pmSanction this postReply
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http://www.aynrandbookstore2.com/prodinfo.asp?number=AR100B

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 3:22pmSanction this postReply
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FYI, youtube has lots of the interviews contained in Objectively Speaking.

Jordan

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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 4:50pmSanction this postReply
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http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/unions.html

Also, my first edition copy reads "Unemployment: See Unions."

(Edited by Teresa Summerlee Isanhart on 2/19, 4:52pm)


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Thursday, February 19, 2009 - 7:41pmSanction this postReply
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The others beat me to it, but yeah, Steve, it's recent. :)

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Friday, February 20, 2009 - 9:08amSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the responses.  In the quote Joe posted from Objectively Speaking, Rand said: "But the one flaw is that the labor unions are government-enforced ..." 
Can anyone tell me in what way the unions are government-enforced?
Thanks,
Glenn


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Friday, February 20, 2009 - 9:38amSanction this postReply
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The big one is that government can force employers to hold elections among employees and, if the union wins, to deal with the union, hiring only through them.  These elections need not be by secret ballot (the law says they have to be, but it isn't enforced, and the Obama administration wants to repeal even this nominal requirement).

Some other ways in which unions gain monopoly power are through tariffs, immigration restrictions, minimum wage laws (which Rand mentioned), equal pay for equal work laws, child labor laws and working condition regulations.


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Friday, February 20, 2009 - 9:41amSanction this postReply
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Can anyone tell me in what way the unions are government-enforced?
"These included the enactment of the Norris-LaGuardia Act of 1932, which deprived employers of the ability to obtain Federal Court injunctions against labor-union coercion, and then the enactment of the National Recovery Act in 1933 and The Wagner Act of 1935, which compelled employers to recognize labor unions and to bargain with them under threat of being found guilty of “unfair labor practices” by the newly established National Labor Relations Board." (George Reisman, http://mises.org/story/1861)

Employers using union labor are favored, or even required, to get work on government contracts.


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Friday, February 20, 2009 - 12:28pmSanction this postReply
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Also as with any contract, you should be able to renege on an agreement if it just doesn't make economic sense anymore and just compensate the other party for any losses they may occur. Contract breaches happen all the time, and the courts deal with broken contracts by making sure the breachee is compensated for any damages. With union contracts you can't do this, you're perpetually forced to enter into a collective bargaining agreement whether you like it or not year after year. The idea of exclusivity sucks too. If you enter into a collective bargaining contract which in most cases you the employer were forced into it by the government, you can't hire anyone outside of the union.

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Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 9:08amSanction this postReply
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Here is what Nathaniel Branden wrote in The Objectivist Newsletter of November 1963, regarding unions:

"[M]en have a right to organize into unions, provided they do so voluntarily, that is, provided no one is forced to join. Unions can have value as fraternal organizations, or as a means of keeping members informed of current market conditions, or as a means of bargaining more effectively with employers -- particularly in small, isolated communities. It may happen that an individual employer is paying wages that, in the overall market context, are too low; in such a case, a strike, or the threat of a strike, can compel him to change his policy, since he will discover that he cannot obtain an adequate labor force at the wages he offers. However, the belief that unions can cause a general rise in the standard of living, is a myth.

"Today, the labor market is no longer free. Unions enjoy a unique, near-monopolistic power over many aspects of the economy. This has been achieved through legislation which has forced men to join unions, whether they wished to or not, and forced employers to deal with these unions, whether they wished to or not. As a consequence, wage rates in many industries are no longer determined by a free market: unions have been able to force wages substantially above their normal market level. These are the "social gains" for which unions are usually given credit. In fact, however, the result of their policy has been (a) a curtailment of production, (b) widespread unemployment, and (c) the penalizing of workers in other industries, as well as the rest of the population."
(p. 43, bound version)

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As for the right to strike, that includes only the right to refuse to work for an employer at a given wage. It does not include the right to prevent others from working for him at that wage. Yet the latter right now enjoys legal protection in the form of picket lines manned by jeering, threatening, intimidating bullies, whose sole purpose is to prevent competing workers (pejoratively called "scabs") from gaining access to the strikers' place of employment and taking jobs that the strikers have refused.

Union advocates typically portray labor unions as being in direct conflict with management, when in fact the real conflict is between labor unions and non-union workers, for it is the latter whom picket lines are designed to oppose and exclude. So much for freedom of competition in the labor market.

The right to compete for a job and bargain individually with employers is the very right to which unions as they exist today are unalterably opposed. Unionized occupations do not allow individual workers to compete for jobs by agreeing to work for lower wages, i.e., by making the employer a better, more attractive offer. So much for the "right to bargain."

Minimum-wage laws violate that right as well, for they prevent workers from accepting a wage that is below the legal minimum. By keeping wages above their market-clearing level, coercive labor unions and minimum-wage laws are one of the principal causes of unemployment.

- Bill


(Edited by William Dwyer on 2/21, 9:45am)


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Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 12:53pmSanction this postReply
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Good stuff, Bill, but what is the "market-clearing level" of wages you mention at the end?

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Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 1:45pmSanction this postReply
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Good post Bill. I totally agree. I've never heard the concept "market clearing" either. I think you're referring to the creation of unemployment by imposing an artificial floor on what a commodity (labor) can be priced. As in, paying $6 / hour for a job that the market would otherwise value at $2 is great for the lucky guy with $2/hr skills, but the two other employees that would have been hired otherwise get burned to subsidize his unrealistic standard of living. Oh, and prices go up, so even the lucky worker's $6 doesn't go as far as it would have otherwise. Is that a correct assessment of your intent?

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Saturday, February 21, 2009 - 2:48pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Mindy,

The market clearing level of wages is the wage at which the labor market is cleared of any surplus. There is no surplus, because the demand for labor is equal to the supply of labor. In other words, anyone who wants to sell his labor can find a buyer who is willing to purchase it at a mutually agreed-upon price. Another term for the market clearing level is the "equilibrium" level of wages, the point at which the demand curve for labor intersects the supply curve. At that wage, there is neither a surplus nor a shortage of labor.

A minimum-wage law is what economists call a price floor, in which the price for labor is not legally permitted to go below a certain level (say, $6.00 an hour). If there are unskilled laborers looking for work who can profitably be employed at, say, $5.50 an hour but not at $6.00 an hour, a minimum-wage law requiring that they be paid $6.00 an hour would prevent them from being employed, creating a surplus of labor. Another name for such a surplus is, of course, "unemployment."

Good point, Ryan, about minimum-wage laws causing a rise in prices. They cause a rise in prices, because they reduce the supply of labor and therefore the supply of goods and services that would otherwise have been produced. This reduction in the supply of goods and services raises prices, because fewer goods and services exchange against the same amount of money, causing the average level of prices to be higher. Plus, the employed workers are then taxed to support the unemployed, which lowers their take-home pay. So, not only do prices go up, but net wages go down, all because our alleged humanitarians believe in forcibly raising people's money wages at the expense of their real wages.

- Bill
(Edited by William Dwyer on 2/21, 3:24pm)


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