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Duncan was nice enough to post this link denouncing the FBI:
http://suicidegirls.com/boards/Everything%20SG/81705/page1/
which I took back to the homepage http://suicidegirls.com/

My wife and I have a few books we accumulated over the years, Anais Nin, that sort of thing.  I picked up a copy of My Secret Life but it was way more boring than I remembered it from college.  So, it is collecting dust.  I found a little book of Victorian stories and picked up another copy for an old girlfriend -- perhaps the best mistake of my life.  We don't have much else around, no movies, for instance.

I confess to being anti-material in many ways.  No matter what "strange passages" are in Ayn Rand's novels, the fact is that by its very nature philosophy is a platonic pursuit.  We elevate the Mind.  If that were not true, you would not be reading this, you would be over on a porn site right now.

And then, there are plushies.  I read about them recently.  You get dressed up in a wookie suit and go to an orgy.  Hmmmm....  pro? con? pro? con? ...  Glorifying the anti-man?  Such a problem...

Ever write any porn?  I have.  I sent it to my girl friend (see above).  I also participate in the Eros conference on The Well, where I am more of a reader than a writer.  I just wrote a horror story that was pretty bloodless.  I think it needs some action ...

I posted this to a numismatic conference:

 1. Michael Edward Marotta   Aug 18 2000, 3:00 am     hide options
Newsgroups: rec.collecting.coins
From: merc...@well.com (Michael Edward Marotta) - Find messages by this author 
Date: 2000/08/18
Subject: Collecting and Sexual Dysfunction
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|   THE THIRD SIDE OF THE COIN                                  |
|                      (c) Copyright 2000 by Michael E. Marotta |
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NUMISMATICS AS SEXUAL DYSFUNCTION by Michael E. Marotta
Seldom does any work of art display female genitals as does the Electricity Note -- even ancient Greek marbles mold the pudicity into a smooth, sexless curve. Therefore, when discussing their conflict with the "decency league," numismatists pretend that the zealots were aghast over the sight of bare breasts, rather than Miss Liberty's Slit. The fact remains that that note was part of a series that also displayed lesbian and oedipal themes. These so-called "Educational" notes are probably from the classroom of Blanche Dubois.
Similarly, nothing is said about Miss Liberty's Nipple as seen on the Amazonian pattern coinage.  The pictures may appear but body copy and cutlines are pointedly mute on the topic of greatest interest. While modern reproductions of the Standing Liberty Quarter have a fully detailed nipple, the original portrayed only a smooth mass of flesh, essentially purposeless, negating Liberty's womanhood.
Armored in chain mail (with or without a bare breast), the Standing Liberty Quarter is no match for today's Britannia. The modern Britannia presents a long shapely body with full, weighty breasts and hips which can give birth to an empire. Britannia's pubic region is barely concealed behind the flimsy folds of her garment, wet from the sea, an obvious sexual allusion. This Britannia would have been unacceptable only 50 years ago.  Of course, in the wake of Pulau's mermaids, Britannia seems modest.
The unmentionable aspect of Pulau's mermaids is the fact that normal sex would be impossible for a landlubber and such a creature. She could offer oral sex and not much more. Copulative action between a mammal and a fish is impossible because fish excrete eggs and sperm. Copulation is not in their nature.  Thus, the mermaids of Pulau and Denmark offer only infecund coupling.
On the other hand, France's traditional Hercules and the Maidens is more appealing to most men in most times and places.  The opportunity to impregnate two fertile females is never to be passed up, if one wishes to pass on his genes. (Although strictly speaking, the myth requires Hercules to choose between them, thus assuring at least one mating, but only one.)  Apart from socio-biology, these French coins promise a menage a trois.  This is not surprising from a nation that symbolizes itself as a cock. The 20 Franc gold coins of the 19th century advertise the life of abandon to be found in gay Paris.
America's repression of sexuality is in conflict with its exhibitionism, or so it would seem, until you consider that exhibitionism is more often correlated with frigity than with nymphomania. Thus, Miss Liberty shows her bare breasts and even her labia, but she does not permit the Buffalo nickel to be as well endowed as Ireland's shilling.  The American buffalo is an immature calf compared to Eire's bull because the fact is that Miss Liberty's exposure, her teasing and flaunting are denials of the fact that she is incapable of sexual fulfillment. Her dysfunction is challenged by the sight of male genitals and so that kind of display is not permitted on American coins.
America's dualistic conflict may originate with its Puritan roots. Certainly the image of Zeus's Eagle was chosen full knowing the mythology of classical Greece and Rome. Zeus carried off the boy Ganymede.  Zeus appeared as an eagle to one girl and as a swan to another (again, the essentially impossible situation of copulation between human and beast) and as a "shower of gold" to another.  That a nation of perverts would symbolize a urination fetish on its coins is never to be spoken of in public. The eagle remains a "powerful symbol" in the same sense that a "powerful" penis sprays forth a liquid that is actually sterile.
Compared to this, Una and the Lion is wholesome.  At least she can lead the lion where she wants him to go -- presumably someplace quiet -- get under him and let him have his way to her enjoyment. Una gets a mammal to mammal plugging.
That Americans are at once homophobic and homosexual is obvious.  The Barber coinage of the Gay Nineties shouts androgyny. However, it is also true that the so-called "Winged Head Liberty" dime is actually the portait of a woman, the same one as seen on the Walking Liberty Half Dollar. Liberty has the head of a Man and he body of a Woman, an obvious example of homosexuality and androgyny. The matter comes to its complete antithesis in the Susan B. Anthony Dollar.  The portrait of the hatchet faced old lady denies any physicality.  (It is interesting to note that Frank Gasparro submitted more attractive portraits of a younger Susan B. Anthony, but they were rejected, perhaps because the committee was unreconciled to the image of a young woman named Anthony.)  Freudian analysts could write volumes about the antithesis projections involved in androgyngy and misogyny, as for instance when "nellie" homosexuals act rude to real women.
It is likely that America is incapable of producing honestly artistic expressions of the human form comparable to the princesses of modern African notes. These pictures offer the female form in a natural and uncompromising beauty in which the mature young woman's breast is not different than her eyebrow or shoulder: it is her body -- nothing more, nothing less. These notes are true art that reveal America's money to be pornography.
Perhaps America is on track for recovery.  America now celebrates the Sacagewea Dollar, with its young woman and her child, i.e., the proof of her fertility.
The fact that coin collecting is a response to sexual dysfunction becomes undeniable. Collecting is obsessive-compulsive behavior. As other obsessions and compulsions, it masks itself in normality, yet shouts its true nature. Consider the online club, "Coinmasters."  The name Coinmasters reflects the loneliness of the collector in "Coin Masturbaters." The name Coinmasters also allows a pun to reflect dominance and submission.  Coin collectors "submit" their coins to grading services. "Masters" sell hem by "flogging" them at a convention.
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 "Tell me what a man finds sexually attractive                   
   and I will tell you his entire philosophy of life." 
   Francisco d'Anconia in ATLAS SHRUGGED  by Ayn Rand   
  <merc...@well.com>                            Michael E. Marotta
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Michael Marotta:

"And then, there are plushies. I read about them recently. You get dressed up in a wookie suit and go to an orgy."

How is this kinkier than having your wife put on a French maid's costume so you can pretend to be the rich gentleman bending your maid over the couch and being, well, not so gentle?

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 8:16pmSanction this postReply
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Matthew Graybosch presumed: "How is this kinkier than having your wife ... "

That was the generic "you" not the personal "you" as in "me" right? 


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 8:19pmSanction this postReply
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Actually, you confused your fetishes. Plushies are people that like bonking stuffed animals. Furries are the guys that like dressing up like stuffed animals and bonking each other.

Either way you bonk it, it's still anti-man.

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 8:41pmSanction this postReply
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Dan Savage (the man who gave us the definition of "Santorum": the goo that-never mind) had a piece on furries, his theory was that it was the fetishization of all those cute and cuddle Saturday morning cartoons of the 80's: Smurfs, Snorks, Pound Puppies, and of course, Care Bears. Probably Care Bears most of all, they were so cuddly wuddly...
Hmmm...interesting...if furry sex is anti-man, then what about fetish for individual body parts, is that indicative of a disintegrated reification of man? What about articles of clothing, or men (or women) in uniform?
What say you, Dr. Kelly? Sometimes a smurf is just a Smurf...

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Yes, Marotta, that was a generic "you". Your kinks are none of my business, after all.

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I actually considered putting in an application to be a suicide girl, yesterday. But, then one wonders what sort of damage could be done to a career that hasn't started, and all that blogging seems a bit too... involved.
I'm really quite awestruck by sites like bodyinmind though, it occurs to me that... "goddamn, its great to be human."


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What, pray tell, is a suicide girl?

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 9:46pmSanction this postReply
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It's a website featuring lovely pale skined usually gothic looking women nude and sometimes in bondage.  They published a book of some of their better models it's quite beautiful.

The models on the site are called "Suicide Girls" much like someone who poses in playboy is a "Playmate" or penthouse a "Pet."

I spouted that off too easily.

---Landon


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Eh, that's so passe nowadays...I'm telling you, Washington state is raising the bar on perversion with the equine brothels...

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    At least Barney never went to orgies (that I saw...er...heard of) anyways. And my kid has LOTS of tapes of him. (Yuck, yuck..)

    Seriously, hey: there's 'good' porn (think in terms of  'art' criteria; after all, it's basically defined as 'obscene art', however drawn, painted, sculpted, photo'd, movie'd, whatever'd), and, there's bad porn. (All such IS categorized differently from 'sick' and 'healthy.' That's a quite different subject.)

    But, really, re the whole (uh...nm) subject, no big (hmmm...) deal, fer Jenna's sakes.

    Now, the really interesting question is: "Is porn a 'worthwhile' subject or aspect within any art-form?" --- Unfortunately, dealing with this subject probably HAS to be preluded with a clear definition of what one actually means by one's use of the term 'porn.' As we all know, one's porn is another's beauty and even another's sick-degradation. As well, there's 'soft' and there's 'hard-core.' (Well, that's what I've heard/read.)

LLAP
J-D


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1. Do you differentiate between "pornography" and "erotica"?

2. Generally, I believe, men prefer pictures and women prefer words.  Is that true for you?

3.  Do you enjoy pornography that reflects your actual experiences, or do you prefer erotica about acts you do not (will not, have not, might not) engage in?

3.a. Conversely, do you read (view) erotica/pornography about acts you would like to do, but do not?  In other words, (a) is it fantasy and (b) would you like to try it?

4.  Do you view erotica/pornography as a substitute for sex with another person or a complement to sex with another person?

(To be fair and open, my answers follow in the next post.)


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1. Do you differentiate between "pornography" and "erotica"?

Pornography is erotica that I do not approve of.  Other than that, erotica is a nicer word, suggestive of actual literary merit.  The problem with that "literary merit" stuff is that even in the absence of sex, literary merit is difficult to define objectively.  So, I do not differentiate between them.  When I want pornography, I go to the Erotica section of the bookstore.

2. Generally, I believe, men prefer pictures and women prefer words.  Is that true for you?
No.  I find pictures interesting enough and all, but someone else's realization.  I like stories.  We have some women's porn around here and I found it more compelling than the "did this... did that" of men's erotica.

3.  Do you enjoy pornography that reflects your actual experiences, or do you prefer erotica about acts you do not (will not, have not, might not) engage in?

I am a realist. I am an objectivist.  I am a pedestrian.  But, you know, one thing I've always wanted to try...

3.a. Conversely, do you read (view) erotica/pornography about acts you would like to do, but do not?  In other words, (a) is it fantasy and (b) would you like to try it?

... is doing it in public. 

4.  Do you view erotica/pornography as a substitute for sex with another person or a complement to sex with another person?

Complement, supplement, implement, it is so difficult to tell them apart.


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Joe Maurone opened this avenue of discussion: "...  then what about fetish for individual body parts, is that indicative of a disintegrated reification of man? What about articles of clothing, or men (or women) in uniform?"
Speaking of being in uniform... most of my life 35/55 of it, I saw the world like an Ayn Rand hero, focused on buildings and railroads and ignoring people.  However, as a security guard, I have to have a working database of the population of 11,000 that I serve.  So, I look at people.  I know that this not your particular focus, Joe, but I look at women -- a lot.  Do you realize how low-cut their blouses, sweaters, and shirts have become?  Have you noticed how thin and immaterial bras are?  It is unusual not to see a woman sporting cleavage and nipples.  So, then, I asked myself, "Self," I said to myself, "what makes this so interesting?  If they were totally naked, how would this look?"  The answer is that it would be completely uninteresting.  Therefore, all clothing is a fetish.


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Gawd, I was jes kiddin'...

Except I don't know if all clothing is fetish...what about frumpy old maids who button their blouses to their chins? What about old men with plaid pants (You know, the kind Linz will start wearing soon...where do old people get those, anyway?).


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Pornography makes other guys hard. Erotica is the stuff that makes me hard. Really, they're two words that describe the same stuff, but with different connotations.

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“2. Generally, I believe, men prefer pictures and women prefer words.”


Did you catch Saturday Night Live’s skit of the Clarence Thomas hearings?

Anita Hill finishes up, followed by Thomas. The Chair asks, ‘Judge Thomas. Miss Hill has made some serious accusations today. For example that you discussed with her your favorite hard-core porno. Is this true? And, did it work?’

Thomas: ‘No, it didn’t work. She was quite turned off.’

Senator Heflin: ‘That’s because women prefer softer porn!’

Senator Strom Thurmond: ‘I agree with Senator Heflin. Women like something with a lot of costumes and story-lines. Something that will transport them to another place and time. Close-ups of over-sized genitalia—well, that just ain’t never gonna turn ‘em on!

Senator Kennedy: ‘Ahh. Were you, ahh, drunk at the time?’

Thomas: ‘No, Senator.’

Kennedy: ‘Because another thing you can do is get them out on your boat for some reason. Then there’s nowhere they can go.’


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At the golf store, Joe...

especially the ones at the retirement villages...

(Edited by robert malcom on 10/03, 9:03pm)


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Oooooooohhhhh......it all makes sense now.

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It's always a sure fix if you watch the new HBO series Rome .

It's sort've like an NC-17 version of Caligula, but more softcore. Definitely good Sun. fare if you're feeling saucy.

rde
Ah, the good old days.


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