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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 11:27amSanction this postReply
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I was eight years old when I first discovered The Fantastic Four with issue #3, cover dated March, 1962 (released two to three months earlier:)

When I first saw this cover, I couldn't tell the good guys from the bad guys, but, of course, they were all good guys. The Fantastic Four was different from any comic book I'd ever read and it became my favorite and remained so for several years. Created by the great team of Stan Lee, writer and Jack Kirby, co-plotter and pencil artist, the Fantastic Four brought characterization and family fun back to comics, traits that were missing from their competitors on the newsstands.

You see, the Fantastic Four was not just a super-hero team, they were a family: Reed (Mr. Fantastic) Richards, the leader, the father figure, a genius more at home in the laboratory than in social gatherings, Susan (the Invisible Girl) Storm, beautiful, shy and Reed's romantic interest, Johnny (the Human Torch) Storm, Sue's kid brother, reckless & fun-loving, and Ben (the ever lovin' blue-eyed Thing) Grimm, Reed's best friend, loyal but with a short temper fueled by his monstrous condition.

Yes, they were a family and they acted like one with Johnny playing practical jokes on Ben, Ben having temper tantrums, Reed lecturing them and Sue fretting over it all. But when the chips were down, whether in battle against Dr. Doom, the Sub-Mariner, Galactus or any of their other myriad opponents, they stuck by each other, not because they were a family but because they truly valued each other.

I had serious doubts that I would enjoy the new Fantastic Four movie. The trailers and previews I had seen didn't impress me and the two reviews I saw were not encouraging, one calling it "not fantastic." Well, I'm happy to report that I loved the movie. Fantastic Four captures the essence of the comic book's Lee/Kirby years and is fun, fun, fun. From "flame on" to "it's clobberin' time", my forty-four year wait for this movie has been rewarded and I'm already anxious for the sequel.


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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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Bob,

How can I be sure this isn't a trick, hm? Were the previews just really bad marketing or is this a for-F4-fans-only movie?

Sarah

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 11:55amSanction this postReply
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I am going to see it, even if it is just for my favorite welshcake Mr. Ioan "Fantastic-Lancelot-Horatio Hornblower" Gruffudd! Glad you like the movie, Bob!


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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 12:01pmSanction this postReply
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Sarah,

My wife, not a reader of the FF comics, enjoyed it and also thought it was a fun movie. That's only two opinions. The only one that truly matters is your own.


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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 12:16pmSanction this postReply
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Damn you, Bob. I was convinced it was going to be horrible, even turned down free passes to the preview. Now you got me curious, and I LOVE the comics, so if this IS a trick, Dr.Doom will be delivering a billion BAH'S your way! :)

Without giving anything away, did they do justice with the Doom character? That's my big sticking point...that, and that they changed Johnny Storm's hair from Blonde to Brown, and that they took away the Thing's rocky unibrow, and- well, I'll give it a chance. Just better not be another DAREDEVIL!

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 12:32pmSanction this postReply
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Joe,
did they do justice with the Doom character?
 Yes. Doom's my least favorite part of the movie but still good.
they took away the Thing's rocky unibrow
 The Thing is great. I had major reservations about the Thing, myself, but they truly capture his personality and look.
Just better not be another DAREDEVIL!
 Well, um..., be warned: I liked the Daredevil movie. But I loved the Fantastic Four. There is no better word to describe it but fun.


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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 3:29pmSanction this postReply
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I'll second that.  I just got back from watching it.  I loved it!  I might even take my wife to see it again tonight!

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 3:38pmSanction this postReply
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Bob's right, F4 was a fun flick!

Counter-factual representations (things that couldn't, in reality, be true -- like that time-stopping clock in that old Twilight Zone episode) can be difficult to pull off -- but this movie pulled it off with style and flair.

Bias warning: The presence of Jessica Alba in this movie may have swayed my objectivity somewhat ... yowzah, yowzah!

Ed

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 3:47pmSanction this postReply
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I'm still waiting for an explanation for how The Hulk and now the Thing manage to gain mass or lost mass instantly with their metamorphoses.

Did the comics ever address this?

We can work on the other heroes and villains later.


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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 5:56pmSanction this postReply
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SPOILER ALERT

Alright Luke, I'm sure that you're (we're) hijacking Bob's thread, but I cannot help but to confirm your worst fears here -- I see no justification for breaking the LAWS of physics in the cases you mentioned.

When Ben Grimm is "changing" into the Thing, his BMI is being calculated from a scale set into the hospital bed {BMI = Body Mass Index = [(weight in kilograms) / (height in meters)^2]} to be over 600.

What that means is -- assuming he was 5'11" (1.8 meters) tall -- that his weight exceeded 1900-kg (~4200-lbs). Where this extra mass came from is anyone's guess. Perhaps the same atoms were absorbing neutrons (becoming heavier, without a chemical change), but a 20-fold increase in density is really reaching out on a limb, in this regard.

Sure, in the manner outlined, hydrogen can triple its mass (to make "heavy hydrogen," ie. tritium), but I have never heard of increases more than 300%.

p.s. Sorry to bore the "normals" here.

Ed

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 6:29pmSanction this postReply
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Luke & Ed,

You might be interested in The Science of Superheroes.


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Sunday, July 10, 2005 - 2:33pmSanction this postReply
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Bob, you're recommendation gives you another sanction. I loved it!

I was pleasantly surprised. It was a good balance of humour and drama, the story was good, and I cared about the 4. I even think they almost did a good job with Doom (the voice was all wrong, and I am too attached to the comics version, but I admit that a direct translation would be silly, Latverian Dictators just don't seem to be the rage these days...).

Flame On! (but not in a gay way....:P).


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Monday, July 11, 2005 - 4:47pmSanction this postReply
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AM I THE ONLY ONE WHO LIKED DAREDEVIL?!

Rant concluded.  Anyway I'm planing on seeing this film tommorow, I'm glad to read all the good reviews (well at least from sources I trust).

---Landon


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Wednesday, July 13, 2005 - 6:19pmSanction this postReply
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Landon,

I said I liked Daredevil. And contrary to most others' opinions, I liked The Hulk even more. But I loved The Fantastic Four.


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Sunday, July 17, 2005 - 5:41pmSanction this postReply
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I caught that after I posted sorry.  And I agree on FF, saw it thought it was great, perfect example of how to be funny without being campy. Conversely I also liked it more than at least the theatrical version of Daredevil

Glad to know there's three of us (My fiancee is one of the biggest Daredevil fans I've ever met so she dug the movie too).

---Landon


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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 6:00pmSanction this postReply
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Quick question:  Is it age approporiate for smaller kids?

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 6:48pmSanction this postReply
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I'd say so, at least much more so than Batman Begins, a little light swearing and some intense action but I noticed it being far more family friendly than Batman.

---Landon


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