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Post 20

Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 9:35amSanction this postReply
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Jennifer,

Doesn't that just depend on your operating perspective.


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Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 9:40amSanction this postReply
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Congratulations, Jason. In my case, you will learn to thank one person over and over again; Barbara Branden. On the rare occasion I send something to you that she hasn't edited, you will see why.
Being editor can be a thankless job. My admiration goes to Linz for doing it so superbly to this point and to you for accepting the responsibility going forward.


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Sunday, May 15, 2005 - 9:40pmSanction this postReply
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Aquinas, was that for this Jennifer or the other?

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Jason, it has occurred to me that if you take on any further titles here at SOLO, you are going to run out of room on your little headline.

You have become a one-man band.  :)


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Monday, May 16, 2005 - 1:19amSanction this postReply
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Jennifer,  I'm biting my tongue on all of the groupie jokes I could make now...

Jason 


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Monday, May 16, 2005 - 1:46amSanction this postReply
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Regina Dildo Iannolo wrote:

Jason, it has occurred to me that if you take on any further titles here at SOLO, you are going to run out of room on your little headline.

You have become a one-man band.  :)


Have to keep him off the streets somehow! :-)

Linz







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Monday, May 16, 2005 - 7:36amSanction this postReply
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Have to keep him off the streets somehow!
As if that were possible!

Jason


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Monday, May 16, 2005 - 10:50pmSanction this postReply
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My congratulations, Jason! You'll do a great job. I'll even test you by writing an article or two.

Barbara

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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 5:47pmSanction this postReply
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Congratulations Jason.  You rock.


P.S.  please don't edit out my pu........

Hey!!  What the fuck!  You can't do that to me!   Hmmph... Grammar Nazi. 


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Wednesday, May 18, 2005 - 8:25pmSanction this postReply
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Would you prefer a 'Grammar Commie'?
(Edited by robert malcom on 5/18, 8:26pm)


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Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 10:09amSanction this postReply
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Jason,

Now that you are editing SoloHq's daily articles and The New Individualist is just getting started and TOC has high hopes for it, it's important to note that a print or online publication rises or falls with the editor. [Not that I want to put any pressure on you :-) ]

There are radically different kinds of editors:

1. All editors view it as their function to edit for presentation or "good English". To correct grammar, vocabulary, spelling, punctuation. Length and verboseness: shorten things, split up long-winded sentences (or ask the author to do both). That sort of thing, but to leave the rest of it alone.

2. Some view it as their function to edit for content as well as presentation. If you are editing the Intellectual Activist or Liberty or other libertarian or objectivist publication or website which has a definite ideology as opposed to a totally open forum, you will need to make sure the writers are either consistent with the philosophy of the publication (tighter editing) or at least on topic within the type of subject it addresses while differing in point of view (looser content editing).

3. Other editors view it as their function to edit for 'style'. I have worked with objectivist and libertarian editors who either wanted a 'house style' (for example, scholarly, non-emotional language when I wrote for an academic or ideological "journal") or who simply wanted writers to write in a style closer to that which the editor himself enjoyed, found better, or would prefer to read (a website I wrote for). An example of a successful intellectual publication which historically has -not- imposed the editor's style or a house style is "The New Yorker." It has had many different kinds of writers over the years who range from terse to loquacious, from biting and satirical to objective and calm, from highly descriptive observers of detail to free-wheeling and impressionistic to highly abstract and 'dense'.

Within the above three types, an editor can tend to be loose and allowing of a great deal of authorial latitude or tight and perfectionist (someone who edits and changes most sentences to get them exactly right in his view). Or somewhere in between. (I say "tend to be" because obviously it would depend on the piece. One can leave untouched an article by a great writer but have to completely overhaul something by someone who is clumsy and ungrammatical or wafts away on a tide of imprecise floating abstractions but has an important point to make.)

Which type are you?

By the way, since "The Objectivist" and the "Objectivist Newsletter" were, taken together, TBSMTAEW - The Best Small Magazine That Absolutely Ever Was, it might be enormously instructive if Barbara could tell us which type of editor Ayn Rand was. Style, content, presentation? And how "hands on" was she was in terms of changing everything, allowing the author to attempt to change first, etc.?

Phil

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 11:39amSanction this postReply
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Jason,

I never got around to it until now, but good luck, man.

You have all my best wishes for success.

Michael


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Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 12:15pmSanction this postReply
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I may be getting slightly senile at age 23, but immediately after hitting "post" I think of two more things I should have included. (Now if I could just remember where I put the ham sandwhich I just made...oh...it's in my mouth.)

I would hope that Linz could also comment on what kind of editor he is for the "Free Radical". And perhaps Ed Hudgins, if he sees this and has time. He has already edited one publication on Regulation for Cato prior to now with "The New Individualist".

Should this move to the writing thread?

Phil

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Thursday, May 19, 2005 - 1:23pmSanction this postReply
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Philip, though you didn't ask for it, I'm going to throw in my two cents as editor of the Atlasphere.

Since I am first and foremost a writer, I try not to interfere with a writer's voice when I'm wearing my editor hat.  Instead, I see it as my job to make a writer's words sing.  Sometimes it involves restructuring a sentence, replacing a vocabulary word, or asking the writer to take certain words and convey a clearer meaning with them -- but the unique voice of the person who penned the words must remain intact.

I also send back my edits as suggestions rather than commands.  99.9% of the time the writers agree with what I have done.  However, if they fight for their words, and have solid reasoning for using them, I will revisit. 

I see the editing process as a meeting of minds and talent -- and I love taking part in it.


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Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 1:42pmSanction this postReply
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Jennifer,

I will give my opinion as a writer about the kind of people I think most good writers prefer to work with, Jason, Linz, Barbara, Ed H. have not offered theirs or have not seen this.

Your thoughtful reply shows three things that a good editor largely tries to do:

i) not substitute his voice for that of his contributors,
ii) willingness to listen and two-way dialogue over articles,
iii) transparency and openness - you've been willing to respond and explain clearly what your answers would be to these questions and took the idea of having a dialogue about them seriously.

Based on this, I hope people will write for you at the Atlasphere.

It motivates me to do so myself.

Thanks!

By the way, I'm not quite sure why this question has not elicited replies on what is actually an editing thread. This is a highly important and non-obvious, under-the-surface issue.

There is obviously still more to say on the subject. [I have a book, called "The Elements of Editing" by the publishers of "The Elements of Style" whose very first chapter starts with the issue of good and bad compulsiveness :-) ]

A prominent publication or a broader literary or intellectual movement rests on the wisdom and quality of not just its high-flying authors but on its editors and publication vehicles who make it possible for them to develop, flourish, break through.

Think of Harold Ross, William Shawn, and the rise and long, enormously successful run of the New Yorker. Or the golden age of science fiction and the editor who developed Heinlein, Clarke, and Asimov and made it possible: John W. Campbell.

Phil
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Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 5:04pmSanction this postReply
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My two cents.

Having worked with Jennifer on a few occasions, I can attest to the truth of what she says.
And further, I can only wish that (for my own selfish interest) she stop with this food hobby
thing of hers and by god become editor of Time or some such thing.

Jennifer, get on it.

Jeff


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Saturday, May 21, 2005 - 6:01pmSanction this postReply
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Phil, I'm sorry not to have responded sooner.  I've been meaning to, but just hadn't been able to get back to this thread to give your question a thoughtful response.

In short, the approach Jennifer takes is the same as the one I plan to use as editor of SOLOHQ.  I have no desire to stifle anyone's voice & I think SOLO would quickly become a boring place were I to try (at least the article section of it).  The truth is, SOLO is a place that's brought together many different types of people and the daily content should reflect that.  Additionally, it is great to have so many active participants of the site actually writing for it; any attempt to edit out someone's personality from an article would be glaringly obvious to anyone who had read that person's posts on SOLO.   This last makes me sure Linz used the same approach under his editorship; my correspondence with him about the editor position prior to accepting it further confirms this.

So, now that that's out, everyone needs to go write some articles!

Jason


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