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Monday, January 26, 2009 - 4:24amSanction this postReply
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Luke,

Thanks for posting this video. I think it will do some good and make some folks associated with NCGS look up from their desks (if or when they see it).

I have a lot of experience as an educator and as an independent thinker. Your presentation is very clean and up to academic standards, but is also a little on the dry side. I found myself getting bored, due to your relative lack of elaboration on the bullet points. As a presenter, I learned not to just read the bullet points of a PowerPoint presentation to my audience. There is a benefit to reading the bullet points to them while they see them on the screen, but there is a drawback to doing only that.

The good thing about reading the words on the screen is that you get to add some character to the words with personal or vocal inflections and whatnot. You did a little of this but, for me (and I suspect for others, too), I was a little put off by the lack of interesting inflection on the whole. Perhaps it's just your personality style and focus. You focused on making clear points, rather than focusing on grabbing the interest or attention of others and then, with their full attention, trying to get clear. 

The whole thing started with you addressing your audience as "young people." Now, it's true that most of the readers will likely be younger than you -- your target audience is a student body, for god sakes -- but I was put off by the phrase and thought to myself: "Oh boy, someone is about to lecture [perjorative] me on something -- let's see if I can stay awake for this." And my initial impression was, in my experience, correct.

The bad thing about only reading bullet points without colorful elaboration -- or some kind of startling voice inflection -- is that you lose your audience's attention. Now, you can either take my word for it or not take my word for it. You can take what I say here as constructive criticism or not constructive criticism. But, I'm asking you to trust me when I tell you that I'm very good at presenting -- like an artist -- and that presentations work better when done differently.

Take the sentence: "I really know." It's not in your presentation, it's just a sentence. You can make the words come alive and capture an audience's attention. There are only 3 words, but there are more than 3 ways to present them (and some ways better than others). I won't elaborate more than that. My point is that your presentation was clean and well-researched, it had good points -- but it didn't pull me in.

Ed


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Monday, January 26, 2009 - 7:11amSanction this postReply
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Okay, that's good feedback, Ed, so thanks for taking the time to review and post.

I have updated the posting so the video remains unchanged but the audio now has a more colorful and more quickly paced narrative.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 1/26, 9:29am)


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Monday, January 26, 2009 - 8:29pmSanction this postReply
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I was going to post that your presentation was much more animated than the usual fare, but I see that I wasn't listening to the original. What I heard sounded quite good.
(Edited by Mindy Newton on 1/26, 8:42pm)


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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 6:40amSanction this postReply
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Luke,

I really like your "enhanced" version!

Also, you did a great job of dealing with religion without disrespecting individuals or their thought process and psychological states. It was one of the most sophisticated dealings with religion that I have ever seen. Part of that must have to do with your own sense of security and the exposure to religion that you have.

You did a great job of making this presentation simultaneously personal and colorful while remaining objective. Very few can do that. Most think it's impossible. You pulled it off.

Bravo.

Ed


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Tuesday, January 27, 2009 - 8:46amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Ed! My "dirty little secret" of being an atheist who dislikes many of the atheists I meet (as I state in the video) aimed to accomplish just what you said I accomplished. So I feel validated for now.

We'll see what Christians and atheists alike have to say on YouTube in the comments section of this video. I really do consider it unfair to dump unprepared, vulnerable, adolescent Christians into a six week intellectual boot camp without at least giving them a chance to study scholastics and apologetics before the fact. It reminds me of Apollo Creed's lack of preparation before getting bludgeoned to death in the boxing ring in Rocky IV.

What's interesting is that this Socratic approach of getting them to study before the fact may expose them to enough challenges to their faith that they change their minds all by themselves.

At least, that's why I said what I said in the way I said it.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 1/27, 12:43pm)


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Monday, February 9, 2009 - 6:18amSanction this postReply
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Someone on YouTube posted this comment:

I have not attended Governor's School yet, but I am considering attending this summer. I find this entire argument absolutely ridiculous. Please message my account if you want me to support my claim. I cannot fit all my points into another 257 characters.

I encouraged the poster to comment here so we shall see what transpires.

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Sunday, March 8, 2009 - 1:36amSanction this postReply
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As I expected, the supporters have crawled from the woodwork to express their discontent with the video via YouTube comments.

Feel free to read them there and reply as you deem appropriate.

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