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Thursday, December 4, 2008 - 6:32amSanction this postReply
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I agree with Steve.  The problems aren't with the brick and mortar.  The problems Luke describes aren't intrinsic to the university.

Steve said:"...the last generation or two of faculty seem to have so few worthy of respect."
I think that's because most universities are research centers first and teaching centers second.  At least this is true in the sciences.  What count for promotion are publications and grants.  If any credit for teaching is given, it is a small part of the overall evaluation.  The joke is that the university would be a great place to work if there weren't so many students to deal with!

Thanks,
Glenn

(Edited by Glenn Fletcher on 12/04, 6:34am)


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Thursday, December 4, 2008 - 9:07amSanction this postReply
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There is a short book that I can recommend highly: Profscam: Professors and the Demise of Higher Education by Charles Sykes (it is also available in paperback).

The link is to Amazon and you can look inside the book and read a few pages. It is a fascinating study of the Universities, and although it is about academia, there is nothing academic in the style - it reads more like non-fiction Rand.

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Thursday, December 4, 2008 - 2:21pmSanction this postReply
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Steve,

I read the "excerpt" and my first reaction was to put "some" in front of "professors" every time he used the term, especially in the "indictments".  I have known of people who have done just about everything he lists, but they all weren't done by the same person, and not all professors do them.

Another observation I would make is that one of the driving forces for the emphasis on research over teaching is the money the University gets from the grants.  If I get a grant for $100,000 a year, the University gets approximately $50,000 a year in overhead costs from the granting agency.  In addition, the grant I obtained would usually cover a portion of my salary, along with the salaries of graduate students.  So, some professors with more than one grant actually pay their own salaries from their grant money.  So, who are you going to hire; a teacher who costs money, or a researcher who brings equipment and money into the University and may do some teaching?

Just a couple of observations after 40 years in academia.
Thanks,
Glenn


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Thursday, December 4, 2008 - 5:58pmSanction this postReply
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Glenn, in the book he discusses the system rather than just attacking professors. I had some great professors (and some real dogs). And he covers the effect that research grants have had - three full chapters on that. Referring to the money that research brings in, you asked, "...who are you going to hire?" In the book, some of his best work supports the purpose of the faculty as being teaching, yet the trend over time has to been avoid teaching. But you'd really have to read the book to see what I'm talking about.

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