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Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 9:37amSanction this postReply
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Good afternoon Dean,

Your absolutely right a person can be intelligent with out being formally educated, but the long haul to rational thinking is a voyage that most people try to shun. True Objectivism presents the already concluded absolutes, Its confirmations are simply waiting to be discovered. Also the full usage of ones mind is required before boarding the Jet to freedom. Sadly, there’s no bowl of Jell-O needed when saying welcome to the neighborhood.

I would hope that you were joking in comparing the Christian Bibles plague of truth with no verification in the same regard as a credible systematic source of light. Myself having studied various forms of sobbing to the unknown could have chosen refuge in a number of so-called successful Jeanie’s, but its Rand’s bitter Mental whip that motivates men to blast through iron walls.

THANK YOU for the vote to prosper but my journey ahead will be one of scrutiny and lynch mobs.


S.


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Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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Star hello. Good to read you here.

My take on the poll is less about persuasion in the pedestrian sense. It is about *standing* for something. It is about walking tall, thinking aloud, speaking the truth, and action in pursuit of values and ones own happiness. Yes along the way, I might throw out a piece of information here and there, but it is *attraction* rather than promotion which will lift the veil of mysticism from some. Sadly not all. The spark can be lit, but in order for the fire to burn in mens hearts, they must crave it, desire it, and be willing to feed it.

regards
John

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 12:04pmSanction this postReply
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"Star The Hater",

I assure you I do not mean that Ayn Rand's work is anything like Christianity in the content-of-arbitrary-ideas sense. Ayn Rand's work is science applied to life, decision making, morality, etc. The only similarity I was communicating was the way that people will accept the ideas not by deducing and understanding them for themselves, but simply by accepting what the majority does. I am confident most of Ayn Rand's ideas will be the dominant philosophy in general for the most productive people within our lifetime. The most productive people are the leaders, they make things happen, less intelligent people will see that people who live consistently with most of Ayn Rand's ideas are both very successful and promote their life... then the productive will continue to nullify the ability of looters to loot from them.

My only question is... are there capable enough producers in the world that will realize that it is in their self interest to protect me from the looters as I expose them? Maybe I should work more anonymously in my most controversial critiques until the looters are no longer in power.

Jesus "Star The Hater"! Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I cry out with great pain for the injustice that will be brought against you.

One of my past friends used to joke with me about how I am such a drama queen. She is an incredible women given her Christian premises. I'm wearing shorts, I'm getting ready to play Ultimate Frisbee. Sorry for the graphic nature-- I wanted to post these images here so that you could know how I feel about what I think "Star The Hater" is doing, and what will happen to him.

(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/12, 12:42pm)


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Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 12:30pmSanction this postReply
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I voted no on the question of telling people about Rand's work insomuch as to convince them. I think her work, like that of any philosopher or thinker, stands on its own merits. I would find it rather sad if people felt a need to prostelyze Aristotle or Epicurus[sp?]. For me, Rand was the exit off the stage of religiousity, and as such I steer clear of young kids that got a little bit of Rand under their belt with burning coals in their eyes as if they plan to take the world to some better place...Not unlike some Christians...

-- Bridget

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Sunday, March 12, 2006 - 8:04pmSanction this postReply
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Hey John,

Thanks for putting up with me; I get a little carried away at times.

S.

P.S. Dean the picks are hilarious, thank you as well!


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 12:47amSanction this postReply
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I was sincerely crying.

I have currently decided to stop paying federal income tax. I think the government and society will find it in their own self interest to let me be free. They won't want to jail me. They won't want to kill me. Well, maybe there will be plenty of people that want to kill me. I think I'll win. I've committed no crime. All I've been doing for the last year is produce and teach others how to live, learn, and enjoy their life.

Taxation is slavery. I'm going to stop paying federal income tax. The government will put me in jail. I hope that people will realize that I don't deserve to be in jail, that they would rather I was free from taxation. I'm going drastically reduce the amount of value I give to looters in the US. Yes, I benefit from some of the ways the tax money is spent. But I reject to being a slave to the looters. I want them to step down out of the government. No more forced pyramid scheme unreasonably low interest insurance (social security). No more stealing from the productive to give to the people with endless needs who just sit on their ass all day like leeches (welfare). No more drug laws preventing people from doing what they want to their own bodies (Parents are guardians of their children, even if the child consents, if it is against the consent of the guardian, it is a crime). No more no forced to have no fault car insurance (People who are responsible for destroying other's property with their vehicles should pay for the damage they have done).

The government can raise money through the voting process. Which ever candidate brings in the most money for the government wins. Now people will spend their money more wisely (they directly vote through whom they choose to trade with). Now the government won't have to steal to have resources.

I'm speaking of radical changes that will happen over the next 100 years. For now, I simply demand that I am not forced to pay taxes anymore. Please take a look at the federal budget. What do you think is reasonable? I think I'll make a deal to pay 6% of my income for defense of innocent people and my use of public roads.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 1:35am)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 4:45amSanction this postReply
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Dean Michael Gores's Declaration of Independence

When in the course of human events it becomes necessary for one individual to dissolve the political bands which have connected him with other individual men and to assume among the powers of the Earth, with the existent and consistent Laws of Reality entitle him in order for him to survive, a benevolent, reasonable, rational respect for each innocent and productive individual requires that they should declare the causes which impel them to the separation.

I hold these ideas to be consistent with reality, that all men are born distinct with different abilities and develop different goals, yet they are endowed by Truth seeking rationally selfish men unalienable Rights, that among these are the right to live by the products of one's own labor and consensual trade, liberty from coercion, fraud, theft, murder, rape, initiation of force against ones own property, and the pursuit of happiness. That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the scientific method applied to one's own ability to live, and to institute a new Government, laying its foundations on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, to them shall be most confident that they are safe and happy. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shown that innocent productive individuals must take arms to defend themselves, since all force initiators do not willingly abolish their own actions. When a long train of abuses and wrongful seizure or exercise of authority of property, pursing invariably the same goal to live at the expense of other men as their master is to slaves, it is an individual's right, it is their duty, to stop enabling and throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security. -- Such has been the patient sufferance of once known individuals in Colonies; such has been the patients of now known individual men in the Unites States of America; and such is now the necessity which constrains these individuals to alter their former Systems of Government. The history of the present Legislative, Executionary, and Judicial branches of the United States of America has changed from a history of great justice and liberty to a history of repeated injuries and usurpation's, all having in direct object the establishment of a partial Tyranny over these individual citizens. To prove this, let the Facts be submitted to a candid world.

The US Government has created Laws and policies to render innocent individuals defenseless against the Military and criminals.

The US Government has proceeded with military and police anti-drug operations to prevent individual men from having the freedom to do what they want to their own body and property.

For taxing and cutting off free trade between innocent men and other innocent men across the world.

For trying and carrying out punishments against men with Laws based on positive rights and nanny statism.

For establishing laws based on arbitrarily acceptance ideas instead of science, and nonexistent intrinsic duty to others instead of freedom from servitude.

For funding and establishing schools funded by taxation, forcing children to go through years of boredom, stagnation, and attack from undisciplined fellow children for the goal of making a servile self-doubting population that is unfamiliar with freedom and individual rights, one that uses brute force to force individuals to do with their own property and time what the government and majority has determined is good for the majority, ruling individual minds by the mob.

For establishing Social Security, a pyramid scheme which robs younger men of their livelihoods, to use these funds to enable looters, and to return an inflated unsatisfactorily low interest rate return in their elder years, instead of allowing free men to determine for themselves whether and how they want to invest in their own future.

For establishing Medicare, a monetary redistribution system to steal from the innocent and productive and give to looters and leeches, instead of allowing free men to use the products of their own labor in the generous and productive way that they see fit.

For establishing other public services unrelated to protecting innocent people such as the US Postal system and the FCC to use centralized planning to regulate the electromagnetic spectrum and mail delivery which can be replaced by consensual free market systems.

For establishing special treatment to federally recognized marriages, faith based organizations, and other collectivist groups instead of providing equal rights among individuals.

For stripping innocent land owners from their homes to make way for government and magisterially sanctioned industry.

For allowing the men who commit extreme fraud to live freely without paying what they agreed to.

Comments? Suggestions?
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 7:34am)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 5:38amSanction this postReply
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Congratulations and good luck. You are a braver man than I. I cannot offer much in the way of suggestions as most tax protesters I've encountered have been Irwin Schiff types who I think take the wrong approach, and get quickly caught anyway.

Your principled stance would at least be a chance to raise the right kind of awareness. A friend of mine (who also never had the nerve to follow through) had an idea along that line that I liked a lot. He'd pay his taxes, on camera, to the armed thugs that come to his house that collect it. He didn't think full protest and avoidance would work, but that doing that would raise awareness that taxation really is government holding a gun to your head (something that many outside Objectivist/libertarian circles truly do not understand). I liked that general concept, and if your stand risks becoming an self-sacrificial endeavour, such a public way of paying off the looters may be awareness raising way to deal with it.


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 7:28amSanction this postReply
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Dean Michael Gores's Statement of Intent.

I have determined that my purpose is to defend innocent producers and to live by the products of my own labor. I have decided to observe and predict the results of my own actions, and I have determined that I can not continue to enable looters and leeches which live off of the anti-innocent-productive-individual collectivist and external duty ethic slave drivers.

I am a scientist. I make predictions about how Reality works, and then I observe parts of Reality to learn whether my predictions are consistent with Reality. In this way, I continually gain confidence that my own ideas are consistent with Reality. Applying this through my life I have become exceptional at learning, making decisions, and choosing goals.

Soon I will discover who has the most power in the world: is it the external duty ethic moral slave drivers, looters, and leeches, or is it the honest, benevolent, reasonably selfish and just? Looters and leaches cannot exist unless productive men allow themselves and their fellow men to be their victims.

Can I live and promote the lives of innocent negative rights respecting individuals through consensual means, or shall I choose to do nothing and wait for the looters and leeches to die? I would defend myself by making sure the looters and leeches pay for what they steel, but since they are currently in power all I can do is quit living. Life is self-sustaining action. The opposite of life is death, which is self destruction and nirvana. Using your own eyes and brain, what happens when a person dies? They cease to live. Do you want to cease living?

For the sake of your own life and that which you value and love, defend me and defend yourselves with retaliation of force against these destroyers of productive and just men. A value is a part of Reality that a life form acts to gain or keep. What do you value? Do you value looters and leeches? We don't need them, they kill us! You must help me take control if you value your own life.

I am not going give my resources to these damned looters and leeches by paying their taxes. I'm going to fight them to their death, and I am going to work with honest truth and justice seeking men to improve the US government, reforming it to respect more individual rights, using science and reasonable selfishness. Are you afraid of me, because I am selfish? Look at what I have done over the past year as I learned Objectivism. Talk to the people who have worked with me or spoke with me. You need not fear me if you respect other individual's Right to the usage of their own body and property.

Muslims, Christians, Jews, other men of faith need not fear me unless they hate discovering and learning Reality. I would not call myself a Christian because I am incapable of accepting a claim such as "The Biblical Christian God exists" without giving up science and reason. If I found evidence that was satisfactory to me, if God revealed himself to me, then I would accept God as true. I have no intention of telling you what you can and cannot accept as true. My only intention is to maximize the safety of innocent men, to continually learn and make better decisions, and to live! If God works through men, do you think he is working through me?

Please join me in living the only life that you are absolutely certain to have. A friend recently said to me, "Life is like building a sand castle with your children." If you do, then I thank you.

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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 8:18amSanction this postReply
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Dean,

I am very impressed with your resolve. Fear not, I promise to send a monthly care package to the Federal Prison where you will be doing time.

George

PS: One word of advice, - don't drop the soap.


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 1:32pmSanction this postReply
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Dean!

Man, you are living in your own head! You call yourself a scientist...that is paradoxical. George is too generous to send you a care package in prison but I don’t think you'll go to jail. I think I will send you a rock airmail to your cave, it will have "BREAD" carved on it.

Michael


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 3:48pmSanction this postReply
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OOoooooooH Michael - you are being soooo wicked.....;-))

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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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If I am to be able to live my life as I see fit, and live a long happy life, I must do this. Its worth the risk to me. Think of what it would be like to strip the power from the looters in the US Government. It would be... incredible. If going to jail, being raped, beaten out of my wits, tortured and mutilated to the point where all I have left is my ability to think, see, and blink, I'd do it if afterwards I could be more free. In order to survive, in order for me to live and enjoy my life, I must maximize my long term freedom from initiation of force.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 4:22pm)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 4:56pmSanction this postReply
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Letter to each individual honest men and women who value their own life (very much including individuals in the US Police and Military officers, US legislators, and US Judiciaries, and the American population):

By the standard of your own life and happiness, I ask you if it is in your interest to punish a free man for refusing to give up more than a quarter of the value he creates to enable looters and leeches to continue stealing from him and the rest of the US and World population.

For lack of reasonable moral leadership in this country, I ask you to consider my ideas on how to use force when it comes to attacking and destroying the lives of men and women such as Dean Michael Gores, a man who has lived a life with integrity, to be one of the most honest, benevolent, just, productive, and truth seeking, learning, and teaching man that has yet to exist.

I swear to you, that by the love of my own life, that I will not work under the condition that I am to a large degree forced to live for the sake of another man, nor will I ask nor force a man to live for the sake of myself nor another. At the same time, I swear to you, that I will act to maximize my ability to live my own life, gain keep, and control my own property, and strive to have indefinite happiness.

I am becoming increasingly wise, but I am sure that I still have more to learn from you and others. I cannot lead this country alone-- I hope you find it in your self interest to assist me.

Thank you for your time and consideration. If you act to net benefit my life or you do not net destroy my life, then I hope the best for you.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 4:58pm)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 5:00pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, thanks for the joke. : )

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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 5:25pmSanction this postReply
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My philosophy, in essence, is the concept of man as a heroic being, with his own happiness as the moral purpose of his life, with productive achievement as his noblest activity, and reason as his only absolute. – Ayn Rand

(Edited by George W. Cordero on 3/13, 5:40pm)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 5:46pmSanction this postReply
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Letter to the honest individuals who are considering whether they should follow their leader's orders to apprehend me:

Please do not attempt to use lethal force against me. If I think my life is in danger, I will do everything I can to defend my life-- even if that means killing a fellow man. I am innocent, I do not deserve to go to jail. If you are forcing me to go to jail, then you are not innocent, you are initiating force against me. My body is mine, no one else has a claim on it.

If I think you are going to try to touch me without my consent, I will do what I think is reasonable to prevent you from touching me. If it is an open space, I will run. If I am cornered or surrounded, I will fight non-lethally and non-permanent-bodily-damagingly to defend until I can escape. Then I will do everything I can to prosecute you in the court of Law.

If I think you are going to try to permanently damage my body, then I will do what I think is reasonable to prevent you from breaking me. If it is an open space, I will run. If I am cornered or surrounded, I will fight aggressively and preemptively with destructive and incapacitative force to defend until I can escape. Then I will do everything I can to prosecute you in the court of Law.

If I think you are going to try to kill me, then I will do what I think is reasonable to prevent you from murdering me. If it is an open space, I will run if I can. If I am cornered or surrounded, I will fight aggressively and preemptively with incapacitative and potentially lethal force to defend until I can escape. Then I will do everything I can to prosecute you in the court of Law.

If you are going to initiate force against me, and strip me from the free world, and take me to jail, then please do it in a way where no one will get hurt. I think the best way for you to initiate force against me to capture me is to surround me with an overwhelming non-permanently damaging use of force. And then you will take me to jail and lock me up with criminals, unjustly stripping me from my freedom and property when all I have done is produce value for others and myself. When I get out of jail, I will do everything I can to prosecute you in the court of Law. You had no right to take me to jail. If your commander or chief orders you to take me to jail, you can quit working for the looter instead of initiating force against me.

I consider my property, which is the products of my own labor and that which was given to me through consensual trade and donation, part of my body. Without property, I am unable to live. You damage or steal my property, you damage or steal my body.

I will do the same to defend fellow innocent productive men and women in similar situations-- so long as I think I'd survive.

Thank you for your time and consideration. If you act to net benefit my life or you do not net destroy my life, then I hope the best for you.

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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 5:50pmSanction this postReply
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George W. Cordero,

I am not happy to be 26% slave to looters and leeches through taxation. I just want to live.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 5:52pm)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 5:55pmSanction this postReply
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deleted ... just for the hell of it.
(Edited by George W. Cordero on 3/13, 7:37pm)


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Monday, March 13, 2006 - 6:27pmSanction this postReply
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George W. Cordero,

Calm down? Are you asking me to achieve nirvana? I'm extremely passionate about everyone's ability to live (including my own). To ask me to give it up is to ask me to give up my passions and dreams-- and die.

I'm always serious-- even when I'm making a joke. My life, your life, its no joke. I'm not making a joke now. Do you see the snot running out of my nose, the tears running down my cheeks, my teath clenched in pain knowing that I am being destroyed by men who live at the expense of others?

In those images, I was thinking about what happens to men like "Star The Hater", my muscles were clenched in outrage against our oppressors. When do you want to die? Do you die sooner because of the looters and leeches? What are you going to do about it? I refuse to enable them-- and I want to make them net loose in their destruction.

Thank you very much for your support. I'll do what I can to return your favor.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
on 3/13, 6:41pm)


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