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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 6:31pmSanction this postReply
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Sadly, I have yet to meet another one of my fellow Objectivists.

Ethan


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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 7:13pmSanction this postReply
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I am in the same boat!

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 7:25pmSanction this postReply
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Ditto.

---Landon


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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 7:27pmSanction this postReply
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Same here.

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 7:45pmSanction this postReply
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Step to the plate to serve as a Local Club Organizer and meet your fellow Objectivists!

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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 8:07pmSanction this postReply
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Ethan, Mike, et al,
That's astounding!

Ethan, I think you mentioned you'd read Rand as far back as 10 years ago. Please, provide some detail. Do you live in a low density population area? Do you have very limited social interaction? This is interesting. I'm the sort who keeps away from most people, more so today than before, and I've met thousands of Objectivists. Of course, I had the 'advantages' of living in New York and in Southern California and have been around a bit longer.

Do tell.


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Tuesday, December 20, 2005 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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All I can talk of is my experience.  I became an objectivist about 4 years ago. I've met a few people who've read Rand (briefly) but never someone who's classified his(her)self an Objectivist. 

My state has fairly middle of the road population but it's a bible belt state.  Most of the people I've interacted with were either christian (usually hardcore) or agnostic.  I've also met people who've been non-christian but sympathetic to Levayan Satanism (this probably had more to do with my time spent in the heavy metal community than anything).

I guess I just don't know where to look.

---Landon


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 1:14amSanction this postReply
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Well, I live in the bluest state, Washington. 30 miles south of Seattle, in Tacoma. I think I am the Objectivist in Washington. The one, and only.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 3:23amSanction this postReply
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Wow!  That is amazing! I haven't met as many as Jeff. I think I've met Objectivists in the high hundreds. I've also had the good fortune to be involved in several active well-functioning Objectivist clubs. However, before I was in California, Colorado, New Mexico, Oregon and New York and a high schooler in Iowa, the only other Objectivist I knew was my younger brother.

Jim

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:48amSanction this postReply
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Hi Jeff,

I live in Maine and work in Massachusetts, so it's fairly liberal country. There is the Boston Objectivist Network that meets monthly in Cambridge, just outside Boston, but driving into the city, finding a place to park, etc is a huge pain in the butt. I've only been an active Objectivist for four or so years, and before that I wasn't looking for Objectivists to meet with. My schdule can best be decribed as insane, so travelling to TOC seminars and even the recent SOLO conferences has been impossible.

Ethan


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:51amSanction this postReply
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Hi Luke,

I've considered it! If I do it, though, I want to do it right and make sure I have a place to meet with others and can do so on a regular basis. Coordinating a local club is a serious responsibility in my mind. Given my often hectic works schedule, three hours of daily driving, Editing, not to mention my family, I just haven't got the time to take on the extra work. If there was a local club, I would definitiely go to it though.


Ethan


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 8:08amSanction this postReply
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Would someone care to define 'Objectivist'?

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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Can't get any simpler than Rand's 'on one foot' definition:

Metaphysics: Objective Reality
Epistemology: Reason
Ethics: Self-interest
Politics: Capitalism


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 5:20pmSanction this postReply
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The quick answer for me is: If a person who knows AR's views on essential issues reasonably well and identifies with her sense of life is willing to call himself an Objectivist, he is one.

But even by somewhat stricter criteria, I've met a couple of dozen, since I used to belong to a group or two.


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 5:59pmSanction this postReply
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The quick answer for me is: If a person who knows AR's views on essential issues reasonably well and identifies with her sense of life is willing to call himself an Objectivist, he is one.

No argument from me.

As for the "stricter criteria", hmm,  it almost sounds like Communist Party membership: you have to study tons of works and articles by Maax, Lenin and Mao, write a bunch of self-critical articles, or articles denouncing other Party's enemies, pass some tests set-up for you, etc. I made it to the Communist Youth League but never the real party member. Perhaps I should also be consider as something like that for Objectivist? ;-^ 


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:22pmSanction this postReply
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Actually, on second thought, I don't think the criteria were ever much stricter than my "quick answer" above in any group I was ever in. In fact, no one was asking. All I meant is that that's what the term "Objectivist" means to me.

As Nathaniel Branden once observed, it would be best to use the term as one would "Platonist" or "Aristotelian."


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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:22pmSanction this postReply
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Good grief, Hong, why would the Communists make membership so difficult?  I guess in a totalitarian dictatorship they can do that, but not in a free country.  I like Rodney's description much better.  Incidentally, his approach seems to have worked quite well for the Christians.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 6:25pmSanction this postReply
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"... his approach seems to have worked quite well for the Christians." Ouch, that sounds like a put-down, but I guess it isn't meant to be!

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 9:06pmSanction this postReply
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As an undergraduate, I didn't know any Objectivists so I started a club. Same thing in grad school...and they came out of the woodwork. I started or helped start 8 clubs in So Cal and one in No Cal...and attended others. In addition, there was the thousand strong Objectivist group of people in NYC during the Peikoff years. And one to three hundred each at every one of the TJS, ARI, and TOC conferences I attended.

I differ with Jeff in that I don't like to keep away from people. I like people (and I don't think that those who are unphilosophical or don't agree with Objectivism have a character flaw. Some of my best friends and people I most admire over the years are non-Objectivists.)

I'd probably hazard a guess that people are my favorite species.

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Wednesday, December 21, 2005 - 11:52pmSanction this postReply
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I clicked on "What's an Objectivist?"

Over the last 45 years I've met thousands of people who call themselves "Objectivists," and almost invariably they turn out to be nothing of the sort. Indeed, a person who identifies with someone else's personal philosophy, even "Objectivism," is most unlikely to be even a Randian, much less a "real" Objectivist.

I call myself a "Randian" to acknowledge Ayn Rand's influence and contribution to my personal philosophical system. But as for the label "Objectivist," which Ayn Rand reserved for the final version of her own personal philosophy, even Ayn Rand herself did not qualify as long as her ideas kept on evolving. So the most reasonable presumption, if someone calls himself an Objectivist, is that he does not understand the "What's an Objectivist?" question.


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