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Post 60

Thursday, September 1, 2005 - 9:17amSanction this postReply
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In post #32, Ross asked:

Millions of mystics & statists become apostates. How many Objectivists do?

That’s an interesting question.  Over the years I've seen or heard of several who were active in Objectivism, but who left saying that they no longer agreed with Objectivism.

 

A recent example I stumbled upon the other day is Amy Hayden.  She was an active Objectivist in the Chicago area and gave a talk at one of the TOC Summer Seminars.  She posted for a while on OWL a couple of years ago, describing how she was taking courses from Stanley Fish, and that she couldn’t find anything to disagree with in what he said.

 

In an article she wrote recently for The Chicago Flame, the student newspaper for UI Chicago, she describes how she made “My Journey from the Right to the Left”.  In it she makes the following statement: “… over the past two years I've realized that all the things I liked about Objectivism are found in Marxism: personal dignity, authenticity, a contextual approach to the world, dialecticalism, true freedom.”  [Emphasis mine.]

Thanks,

Glenn





Post 61

Thursday, September 1, 2005 - 5:44pmSanction this postReply
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I voted for option C.

When I was in high school and freshman year of college, I was full-on Christian. The natural path of christianity is communistic thought, and that's what I became. I worked for "social justice", multiculturalist thought, the merging of State and Enterprise, etc. I personally blame it on Comprachio Syndrome, a simple product of the public schools. I am not sure if there is anyone here who has so quickly and thoroughly converted, as it were, from so far a leftist field.

I had to go partway insane before I started actually caring about myself. I stayed up nights, weekends, sacrificed grades time and money to cater to Psychic Vampires. I was a mover for the cause and a personal counselor to the "troubled", always thinking that I had to give anything I could to help others, regardless of their values to me, because Christ compelled me to love all as myself, and therefore make everyone, even the whores at school and the jackass losers my personal charges.

I look back and I am relieved...believing what I did literally put me through Hell.



Post 62

Thursday, September 1, 2005 - 7:23pmSanction this postReply
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And they say Christianity is a 'doctrine of love'.. [of course, they never define just they actually mean by the term love - but to be sure, it isn't 'response to values, not viable values anyway]...



Post 63

Friday, September 2, 2005 - 1:28amSanction this postReply
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Steven, I was similar in the "overnight conversion" when I read Atlas for the first time, though the foundation was being shaken years before...let's just say after I finished with Atlas, I was...angry with religion, where before I was merely questioning!



Post 64

Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 12:04amSanction this postReply
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Thankfully, Rand did get to me first, and it really helped in clarifying my ideas. Before I first read The Fountainhead, it was always, "How?" and "Why?" and "something's wrong here" about the people and "ideas" around me, but while reading it, it was "yes" and "exactly" and "I agree" and stuff like that.



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Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 8:13amSanction this postReply
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Thankfully, Rand did get to me first, and it really helped in clarifying my ideas. Before I first read The Fountainhead, it was always, "How?" and "Why?" and "something's wrong here" about the people and "ideas" around me, but while reading it, it was "yes" and "exactly" and "I agree" and stuff like that.

 Neha,you though all that at fourteen? I am sorry to hear that.







Post 66

Saturday, September 10, 2005 - 9:48amSanction this postReply
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when I read atlas for the first time I though; God! now I know what is impossible to men.
From that day on, I only  concentrate on what is impossible to men.




Post 67

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 7:20amSanction this postReply
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Er, yes, Ciro. Why? Of course all i concentrate on now is things like, 'if this is possible, nothing else can matter or be important' and stuff like that.



Post 68

Tuesday, September 13, 2005 - 7:27amSanction this postReply
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What i originally came onto this thread for was to say, 'holy shit, seven whole people who voted for option d?' shame on ye
(Edited by Neha on 9/13, 7:30am)

(Edited by Neha on 9/13, 7:32am)




Post 69

Sunday, September 18, 2005 - 5:10pmSanction this postReply
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 What i originally came onto this thread for was to say, 'holy shit, seven whole people who voted for option d?' shame on ye
Hey... I voted for D!  (I must have been #8)




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Monday, September 19, 2005 - 5:32pmSanction this postReply
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My junior year of high school I had an American History teacher who thought the sun rose and set on FDR.  He was a really good teacher in that he made the subject interesting and got into the reasons behind events, rather than just making us regurgitate dates and places.  Between him and my welfare-statist parents, I was pretty much a Lyndon Johnson liberal during the time LBJ was in office.

I don't remember exactly when and how I changed (I think it was gradual, no sudden leaps), but by the time I finished college I was politically libertarian (not Libertarian; that party didn't exist yet) and close enough to Objectivist in my philosophical outlook that reading Rand's books served to organize and clarify my thinking rather than change my mind on any major issue.

Ironically, when I was in college there was an organization on campus called Radicals for Capitalism whose purpose was to promote Objectivism.  I would have been exposed to Rand years sooner if I'd gotten involved with them, but I didn't check them out because their name turned me off. "Radicals", to me, were those grubby hippies who took over campus buildings and hated capitalism.  It wasn't until years later that I learned what I had missed.




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