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Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 6:38amSanction this postReply
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I attended OCON 2011 in Fort Lauderdale over the Independence Day Weekend. Yaron Brook explained during a talk that discussions with outsiders (especially Tea Party types) make much more progress when starting in the "middle" of Objectivism (self-interest versus self-sacrifice) rather than with the "foundations" (naturalism versus supernaturalism and reason versus mysticism). He said that trying to start with the foundations makes listeners immediately "tune out" the message whereas most people implicitly understand the ethical idea that life must be the ultimate root of value.

I had to chew on that a while because I can see, in retrospect and with some regret, that I have made exactly that mistake. I am glad a "hardliner" from ARI is willing to change strategy to advance the message. Brook also stated that although the Tea Party members currently show warmth for Ayn Rand, they may turn on her as they grasp her premises more deeply, and that we should prepare for that.

My two-fold question here is:

1. How many of you already use this approach?
2. How effective is it?

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 7:26amSanction this postReply
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Luke asked:

"1. How many of you already use this approach?
2. How effective is it?"

I've taken this into consideration when discussing this things after years of going through what you describe as other's "tuning out." I've come to link the "middle" approach to Rand's own advice:

"Above all, do not join the wrong ideological groups or movements, in order to 'do something.' By 'ideological' (in this context), I mean groups or movements proclaiming some vaguely generalized, undefined (and, usually, contradictory) political goals...The only groups one may properly join today are ad hoc committees, i.e., groups organized to achieve a single, specific, clearly defined goal, on which men of differing views can agree. In such cases, no one may attempt to ascribe his views to the entire membership, or to use the group to serve some hidden ideological purpose (and this has to be watched very, very vigilantly)."

While she doesn't spell it out the way Brook did, it's implied, I think, that in this situation, a middle ground may be found, but Rand's version makes it clear to be aware that the foundational ideas still differ, and not to get too...comfortable? with strange bedfellows...



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Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 7:46amSanction this postReply
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Joe observed:

While she doesn't spell it out the way Brook did, it's implied, I think, that in this situation, a middle ground may be found, but Rand's version makes it clear to be aware that the foundational ideas still differ, and not to get too...comfortable? with strange bedfellows...

This is probably what separates ARI from TAS since the latter has been "schmoozy" with libertarian groups from the start.

I should have clarified also that by "middle" I meant "middle of the philosophy" (ethics) rather than "middle ground" with other ideologues.

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 7:46amSanction this postReply
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Luke,

1. How many of you already use this approach?
2. How effective is it?
I use this approach [starting in the "middle" of Objectivism (self-interest versus self-sacrifice)], but haven't had enough encounters/feedback in order to tell you how effective it is.

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Sunday, July 17, 2011 - 7:52amSanction this postReply
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Luke: "I should have clarified also that by "middle" I meant "middle of the philosophy" (ethics) rather than "middle ground" with other ideologues."

Hmmm...I didn't pick up on the distinction (I just assumed a broader use of "middle"), thanks for pointing that out.

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