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Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 2:56pmSanction this postReply
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We know that Rand lists Reason, Purpose, and Self-esteem as cardinal values with Rationality, Productiveness, and pride as their correlative cardinal virtues.

I don't recall her listing the same for their opposites although she discusses values' and virtues' detractors in great detail. I'm not sure what to call the opposite of a "value," so I'll use "disvalue" for now even though that doesn't sit quite right. The opposite of virtues are, of course, vices.

If I were to venture a guess, here's what I'd say her list of disvalues and vices might be, as linked to her values and virtues.

VALUE/VIRTUE....................... DISVALUE/VICE
Reason/Rationality.............Willful Evasion/Irrationality
Purpose/Productiveness............Apathy/Sloth
Self-Esteem/Pride.................Self-Immolation/Humility
............................ (as in feeling humiliated, not
..................................as in feeling humble)

I think this is a useful exercise in that it's helpful to denote not just what to pursue but also what to avoid.

Thoughts?
Jordan


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Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 6:39pmSanction this postReply
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All of those "disvalues" can be summed up with one word:  Sacrifice.

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Thursday, January 22, 2009 - 7:17pmSanction this postReply
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Teresa, look at the excerpt of your post above in the unread messages board - you'll have to mark the post unread.

Or better yet, just let me cut and paste it for you:

(1) Teresa Summerlee Isanhart - 1/22, 6:39pm - All of those "disvalues" can be summed up with one word: Sa...

Of course, this immediately came to mind.


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Friday, January 23, 2009 - 3:28amSanction this postReply
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Well, sacrifice is our "satan!"

 DISVALUE

Willful Evasion/Irrationality  - Sacrifice of reason

Apathy/Sloth - Sacrifice of purpose

Self-Immolation/Humility - Sacrifice of self (esteem) and Pride
(as in feeling humiliated, not
as in feeling humble)


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Friday, January 23, 2009 - 4:38amSanction this postReply
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That was a very insightful post, Jordan. I would add "hubris" to the list opposing "pride" and would in fact consider it a bigger sin in terms of its destructive power. Many of the various Randian villains practiced it consistently.

As for "sloth," its close relative is "slack." This can serve either virtue or vice depending on how closely one couples it with rationality. Paying someone else to cut my lawn because I'm lazy is both rational and productive (if I can afford it) whereas letting the grass grow unabated is neither.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 1/23, 6:06am)


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Friday, January 23, 2009 - 12:41pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks Luke.

Teresa, interesting. I think evasion is more fundamental a vice than sacrifice. As Rand put it in Galt's speech:

"Thinking is man’s only basic virtue, from which all the others proceed. And his basic vice, the source of all his evils, is that nameless act which all of you practice, but struggle never to admit: the act of blanking out, the willful suspension of one’s consciousness, the refusal to think — not blindness, but the refusal to see; not ignorance, but the refusal to know."

Jordan

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Friday, January 23, 2009 - 4:13pmSanction this postReply
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Isn't "hubris" a candidate for a misintegration, Luke? Is there such a thing as excessive pride? Notice it doesn't say false pride, but excessive...

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Friday, January 23, 2009 - 4:44pmSanction this postReply
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Hubris is pride exceeding that which one has earned.

Humility is pride falling short of that which one has earned.

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Humility is self-depreciation...

it is the absence of pride.....
(Edited by robert malcom on 1/23, 5:42pm)


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