| | We will have to agree to disagree, the way it looks right now! I do find I agree much more (with your last post, for example) when I substitute “collectivist”wherever I see “socialist aims” or “socialist ideal.”
You write:
“Please explain how liberals wanting to "plan" the economy isn't fascist AND socialist?”
“she's saying there is virtually no difference between the two [fascism and socialism]”
“what I've learned of National socialism, It was both [fascist and socialist]”
I take the above as insisting that fascism (regulation of the means of production,) applied consistently, logically leads to de facto socialism (group ownership of the means of production.) I agree and I said so in post 10. Rand and Peikoff also agree. *
Rand nevertheless insisted, in Fascist New Frontier (and in letters on the subject of that work,) that the Nazis were NOT socialistic, and that neither was Kennedy.
I am surmising, but the way I understand this is that she was tired of liberals assuring themselves that since they want heavy regulation of property but not state ownership of property, they are not socialists (and therefore not related to those “extreme ideologies” such as Nazism or communism.)
She is saying, ‘Not so fast. The Nazis were not socialistic, they did not implement socialism. Don’t tell me that you stand apart from them because they advocated group ownership while you don’t want that. The Nazis were just like you, in favor of private property regulated by the state.’
When I jumped in the thread was about comparing Nazis to modern liberals, and so I thought of and have been arguing Rand’s terms as she used them when she wrote on that comparison. In other places, Rand uses socialism as though it was interchangeable with collectivism.
*Getting away from verbalistic battles, it will be a tough slog to show that the Nazis ever reached the “logical end point” of the regulation of the means of production. Daimler-Benz, Krupp and many, many others were not shot up. They made fortunes before, during, after, and as you read this.
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