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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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I read many times that the power of silence is its ability to mediate the irreconcilable.
I am curious to know what other objectivists think about the power of silence
and  if they think that  silence is any  power at all?

Ciro

(Edited by Ciro D'Agostino on 12/07, 5:15pm)


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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 5:57pmSanction this postReply
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I am not the best authority on the ability to remain silent, but as a way to "mediate the irreconcilable" it sounds either trite or vicious.

Silence is certainly preferable to:

idol gossip,
nervous chatter,
mindless slander,
public cell phone use,
unnecessary criticism,
irreverent boorishness,
a compulsive desire for attention,
speaking on that about which one is unqualified,

but it is never preferable to simply objecting to evil done in one's presence. Silence as a form of denial or evasion is certainly no virtue.

These are not Objectivist teachings per se. My Father attributes most of them to the Jesuits. Some so-called objectivists (especially on other lists) believe that one's highest purpose on Earth is to denounce whatever one can. I find that an unfortunate misapplication of Rand's sometimes over-emphasis on passing judgment. One needs always to be able to pass relevant judgment. One need not always seek out things to judge, or a forum within which to voice those judgments. I have argued elsewhere that in the cases of such things as PARC or Borat, it might be better to keep one's mouth shut rather than to waste air on petty matters.

Silence can show the power of self-restraint, and this is a great virtue to be able to exercise properly. Silence can also sometimes most eloquently express disapproval, in the right context.

The argument from silence is one of the worst of all vices. When Richard Dawkins claims never to have heard of Rand, but then removes listings from his website that are associated with her, or the Historian Nialll Ferguson lies on national television and replies to a questioner who asks him his opinion of Oriana Fallaci that he has never heard of "that person" they are committing unpardonable intellectual dishonesties.

A friend is a person with whom one can sit silently, an acquaintance is someone with whom one must avoid awkward silences.

Perhaps someone else has something else to say about silence? I am not one who finds it easy to refrain from speaking before an appreciative audience.

Ted Keer, 07 December, 2006, NYC

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on 12/07, 6:10pm)


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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 7:29pmSanction this postReply
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Well said, Ted.

Ed
[often a man of few words]


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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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I have personally experienced that when I communicate with people silence sits in at every conversation.
It seems like silence is the third speaker in a conversation. Sometime I feel like I am receiving more than just words that the speaker is giving. And because of this, lately  I have learned to speak from this silence. Have you noticed that what transpires in a conversation is between our silence and the silence of the other?

Ciro



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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 8:58pmSanction this postReply
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Sometimes a conversation can be so enthralling that both people speak at once, end each other's sentences, and overlap. But in a deep and relaxed conversation with a true friend silence means acceptance without the need for proof or approval, a true consideration of what the other is saying, a desire to think and understand before one speaks - in other words - the desire not just to talk, but to communicate. Much also goes on non-verbally, a glance, a smile, a thoughtful distant gaze. This is very much a matter for the arts - drama and music and even comedy - and for documentary, since what silence can we convey to each other by the written word...

...other than through the poor substitute of punctuation? The topic is a fascinating one, but a difficult one to explore in this medium.

Ted

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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 10:01pmSanction this postReply
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I have recently had the opportunity to relish in even in the sleeping breathing of another ...

Ed
[silence is golden]


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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 10:02pmSanction this postReply
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Like Ted said, silence is a good litmus test for the level of intimacy of a given relationship. Comfortable silence is something sublime.

Ed


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Thursday, December 7, 2006 - 10:44pmSanction this postReply
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I can't stand silence I'm always either talking to myself or listening to someone else talk. Either way, I must hear something to keep my mind active. Hell, I love it when I hear a new noise at work or where ever, it just keeps me going through what it might be. As you see, I must be stark raving mad. ^_^

-- Bridget

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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 5:46amSanction this postReply
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I have absolutely nothing to say on the matter...



But the voices in my head may well chime in at a later date.


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 8:05amSanction this postReply
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"Bong............Bong...............Bong.....................Bong............."
"Ding....."

(Edited by robert malcom on 12/08, 8:05am)


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 9:57amSanction this postReply
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They don't so much Bong or Ding, as Clang.
 

(Reminds me of a scene in Mr. Roberts with William Powell...)


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 10:08amSanction this postReply
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Robert & Summer,

If you must post such jokes, you could at least insert some pix of your favorite sex god/desses, like Geena & Brad here.




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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 10:22amSanction this postReply
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Stop that! It's not fair that you have better clip art archives than me! ;)

-- Bridget

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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 10:35amSanction this postReply
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I'd love to oblige, Ted, but as I don't have any decent (read: indecent) photos of Matthey MacConaughey, this'll hafta suffice.




Almost makes me believe in God.

;o)


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 11:22amSanction this postReply
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A friend is a person with whom one can sit silently, an acquaintance is someone with whom one must avoid awkward silences.  (Ted Keer)

Like Ted said, silence is a good litmus test for the level of intimacy of a given relationship. Comfortable silence is something sublime.   (Ed Thompson)

Truer words have never been spoken.

I have recently had the opportunity to relish in even in the sleeping breathing of another...   (Ed Thompson)
Really? Me too!  Isn't it grand?

Erica

(Edited by Erica Schulz on 12/08, 11:24am)


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 1:57pmSanction this postReply
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Ed and Erica,
MUST you be so blatantly and disgustingly happy with each other?  ;-)


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 2:03pmSanction this postReply
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:-)))

Ed
[silently and shamelessly nodding in the affirmative]


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 2:13pmSanction this postReply
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you could at least insert some pix of your favorite sex god/desses
I couldn't find one of Hedy LaMarr........
And I don't think they'll let me post one of Jenna or Tia..... ;-)


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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 2:14pmSanction this postReply
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Gosh, Summer, let's post more of those pics and turn this place into the gutter! Not that I'd mind... :-)

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Friday, December 8, 2006 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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Just as I thought.

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