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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 1:33pmSanction this postReply
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A video critique of "Part I" of the film and a discussion of how Ayn Rand's philosophy applies to today's struggle to defend Western civilization from the return of the primitive:

http://youtu.be/PolPBKnVxnY


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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 2:41pmSanction this postReply
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My not having any idea who you are, and you first few statements saying that you felt down... kind of made me quickly decide it wasn't worthwhile to spend the time to listen to the whole review, closing it after the first few seconds. Anybody care to listen to the whole thing?

Wasting time complaining... makes me think, "shut up and do something great yourself". Again, sorry, I have no idea who you are or what you accomplishments may be.

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 3:29pmSanction this postReply
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I agree with a comment Sam made a while back... I have no idea how this looks to someone who is not an Objectivist, or has not read Atlas Shrugged, just an average American - no idea. And how does it strike a college-aged, average Americans - again, no idea.
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Overall I would have given the film an 8 out of 10 and I really enjoyed it.

Here are my criticisms (which I hope prove constructive):

There were times where the pace seemed slow. For example, the time spent in Reardon's anniversary party seemed long for what was needed to advance the plot.

The Galt Line train trip was a little misfocused. They decided not to make it a sex scene, which was really serving two purposes in the book - advancing the story line on Dagney and Hank, but also celebrating a success - human achievement. Since the movie left out the sex, they needed to focus on celebration. The special effects were good, but the train never looked like it was doing 250 mph and that was mildly distracting. They only focused on the techology and lost the celebration aspect. They should have had the surprise of Dagney and Hank at seeing people lining the track at every crossing and every town. They could have woven in the story of the overwhelming number of engineers, conductors, oilers, etc that volunteered. It needed more concretes to reinforce that celebration, that exhaltation. That scene could have been more powerful by a factor of 3 or 4.

I think the director and the actor playing Franciso missed the mark a bit. This Francisco was not just too shaggy looking, but his self-esteem seemed a bit low, with him hunched over, looking down, and playing the part of the playboy. I remember the book as him allowing (encouraging) people to attack him as a playboy and to see that false negative view without much effort on his part. He didn't need to act flirtatous with two or three party girls in a sleazy way- the gossips did that for him. I hope they will clean up Fransciso and give him a more powerful demeanor. The art of what Francisco did in the book was to let others, small minded people, build the image of the playboy out just a few events (like the Ice palace party) and he never behaved in a self-degrading way in person.

Dagney needs to be played with more power. In the book she was able to laugh at many of the things that Eddie brought to her, as no problem. Real power can be shown as calmness, good humor, and laughing at the things that others are frightened of. A very natural leadership. This portrayal was a little too flat. It is very hard, I imagine, to play someone of really high self-esteem, someone who wields power very benevolently and easily.

The character of her brother came across as too nice - I wanted to see more of a brittle, frightened man lusting for power and for the respect of his slimey friends, and that he would appear to show great presence and power at first, but then looking behind the scenes just a tiny bit and you see it is a phoney fascade that he puts on as he walks into a board room, and later, in private, a disgusting level of whining creeping into his voice. Maybe more of this view is put out in part II.

They didn't do justice to starnsville and that was important - a key plot advancement is showing that community that was once the heart of civilization on the technological edge had become a primitive place by adopting the altruistic approach - that is the summary and encapsulation and metaphor for what is happening on the larger scale with the world. That was cause effect on political, moral levels and a direct tie to the idea of abuse the mind and you will lose it's product and benefits. They also hit a false note on the story line with the trip - in the movie they went to seek the special motor and too convienently found it behind that sliding shelf - like a secret compartment. But in the book they went to seek out standard factory machines and stumbled across Galt's engine parts which were never scavenged because others didn't see any value in them. But that was a minor thing.

It appears that they chose not to pursue Reardon's mixed premises that led him to feel shame for his weakness in giving in to his lust for Dagney, and her shock at his attitude, quickly followed by her understanding it was the best in them that drew them together and her chuckling that she didn't care as long as he brought that lust to her. That was important to a view of humans that are conflicted with anti-pleasure premises and making a choice involving the command to sacrifice or else feeling shame. But this is a case where they may not have had time to put that theme in.

They didn't get much out of the scene with Hugh Atkins at the dinner - they did a close up on the cigarette with the dollar sign, but not much else. I assume they will weave that in later. A minor thing.

Again, they are so pressed for time, but I didn't FEEL the loss of Owen or McNamera - there was Dagney's assertion but no emotional grab at me. Their importance hadn't been objectively demonstrated.

They relied way to much on Dagney's lines about people disappearing (and those headline-like "Gone missing" texts). Again, maybe it was the time, or maybe they will enhance this in part two, but I'd have like to seen some other people making very short commments - to make it feel more like a real mystery, more of a real phenomena.

Mostly I think they need to look at this wonderful movie they've made and see that they can pick up the pace and that they need to layer things so that they can be showing things flash by as scenery, and as physical movements, but use headlines, or snippets of conversations, or listening in on thoughts being connected... layered over top of the movement, the advancement of the physical story line, as a way to drive home the key points or key emotional highlights.

And each of the actors can find some really good coaches to work with to grasp how they can portray their character with more depth - this is the only good thing about the delay between the parts - they have time to analyize Part I and make improvements.

My biggest complaint is that part 2 won't be till next year. I think that takes so much away from the experience.
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Despite the criticism, I loved the movie. The cinematography was outstanding. Wyatt was played with real power and Becker was just excellent. Even though I think that Dagney and her brother can be improved, and that Francisco needs to be rescued just a little, they didn't harm things, just didn't bring home all the value that could have been pulled out. Hank Reardon was played fantastically - he was really up to the mark. His wife was also right on target.

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 4:24pmSanction this postReply
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Steve:

Good review with some insights. I particularly agree with the observation that there should have been emphasis on the engineers, conductors, etc. lining the tracks. This would have given a "Rocky" exuberance to the success.

Also, what was completely missing, in my view, was the feeling of mystery as to why all the producers were just "gone." It's unfortunate that there was a "spoiler" for that answer in the promotion of the film by using the word "strike." When I read the book for the first time I was on tenterhooks waiting for the resolution.

But above and beyond that there was a tantalizing eeriness that pervaded the book. Maybe I'm the only one that experienced but it was in the first few pages where Eddie Willers feels uneasy about seeing the ominous calendar high above the city. This was subtle but to me it exemplified the insidious influence of the government guiding the populace to look upwards to authority. It's a small thing but it illustrated the genius that Rand had that allowed her to conceive of that literary device, and to put it right up front to set the tone for the whole novel.

Sam 

(Edited by Sam Erica on 4/16, 5:10pm)


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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 5:20pmSanction this postReply
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Sam,

Those are two really good points

- Building a stronger sense of mystery about the disappearances - that would have helped a lot and that can be done with tiny cut-aways to single-liners.

- The sense of ominous foreboding - that something bad was happening but no idea of what it was. That hooked people on a background emotional level - it spoke to that primitive part of us that has to watch for danger. That would have helped a lot.

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 6:08pmSanction this postReply
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Unfortunately, we won't ever know what constraints the producers had to deal with.

Sam


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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 6:53pmSanction this postReply
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One other crit - that last scene of Dagny at the burning oil wells - way over-dramatic, out of character for Dagny...

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 7:31pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, I so disagree, Robert. I thought it was perfect, and really choked me up! 

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Saturday, April 16, 2011 - 8:31pmSanction this postReply
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On that last scene, it needed to be dramatic - it could have been the loud scream, or it could have slumped shoulders, a bowed head, and a tear going down her cheek - she whispered to herself, "Oh Ellis, what have they done to you?"

For me, the problem wasn't so much the intense drama, or which kind of powerful reaction, but that the movie suddenly ended. I know that part 1 has to end, and I don't have any idea where I would have put the ending, but when we won't see part II for a year, there is NO good place to end.

Sam and I both wish they had an exuberant, "Rocky" on the steps of the Philadelphia city hall kind of celebration on the train ride. They could have built to a high with the dinner, and with the beginning of the romance... if that had been more tightly integrated into a rising crescendo of success (intellectually tied to human achievement and economic freedom), then the crash of Wyatt disappearing would have been even more powerful (and reinforce the disappearance of freedom and its consequences), making the loss more deeply felt.

This novel really calls for about 5 parts, each about 1 and a half hours long, and all shown within a two week period on TV. Then into a DVD set and syndication. Being a movie it would have the very difficult task of staying fully loyal to the novel, but doing so with more focus by the director and screen writers to achieve emotional highs and lows that correspond faithfully with the book. In written work you can add or subtract paragraphs and pages to hit both the emotions and the intellectual messages. In a movie you must hit those emotional highs and lows or it becomes a kind of fictional documentary - sort of a docu-drama.

If I were the producer, I'd be wondering - assuming the return on the investment was sufficient - about re-shooting some scenes to amp them up and enrich them with more layers and rejoicing in a chance to get closer to perfection, and shooting many, many more scenes, and editing it all together to be that 5 part, made for TV epic.

But, like I said, I really love what they did and the courage they showed in doing it.


(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 4/16, 11:02pm)


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Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 7:13amSanction this postReply
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Steve:

Good review. Some of my reactions were different in minor ways. For instance, to me, what made Dagny's reaction at the end so effective and dramatic in context was that it was the very first time in the story that she is shown viscerally out of control and not cooly in command.

My bottom line is, when I first heard that this movie was finally being done, I was convinced that it was going to be a deliberate hatchet job, to bury Atlas Shrugged. It clearly wasn't, and I was wrong. It was a very credible almost heroic effort to compress Part I into 97 minutes using 10 million dollars or so.

The key word is 'compress.' It felt extremely compressed, as it would have to be, no way around it. What was pages of exposition in the book was shortened to single lines in some cases-- like placeholders for ideas. At times, if you blinked, you missed key lines.

Still, it was an enormous pleasure to watch -- having read the book. But it is hard to put ourselves into the place of someone who has never read Rand in those theater seats, seeing the plot for the first time, though presented in that compressed fashion. I can pass along one reaction: one such person who wasn't particularly a fan of Ayn Rand or Atlas Shrugged(ie, neutral on the subject) absolutely loved the character of Dagny and her portrayal by Taylor Schilling.

The choice to add the shadowy figure of John Galt in Part I was an interesting deviation from the novel, but I understand why that choice was made. In the novel, in Part I, the reason for the disappearances is pure mystery-- as it is through Dagny's eyes, even in the movie. In the movie, the viewer alone is let in on the fact that there is a deliberate destroyer, an actual actor in these disappearance events. But the novel reader eventually turns the page and finds out. In order for the movie as Part 1 to not leave glaring plot elements unexplained until later, they chose to add the shadowy figure. Otherwise, a first time viewer of the story leaving Part 1 is left cheated in a sense, without any explanation offered about why these people are just vanishing. My son noted that, the way he was added left it open to fill that role with a 'name actor' in the eventual Part 3.

Many of the negative reviews coming out in the press and on the web seem like they were written years ago, waiting to be spewed. I think that speaks to the effectiveness of the message, and is only nominally connected to the filmmaking. There is no surprise in them at all, neither their tenor, not their snarling, sneering nature. The throw away talking point that I'm seeing repeated over and over is "Superior in every way me and mine shrugged at Atlas Shrugged..."

They've got nothing, and are going to go to the well a bit too often with that one.

Hope we're talking about Part 2 a year from now.

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Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 9:28amSanction this postReply
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Brad,

That link to your video:

http://youtu.be/PolPBKnVxnY

... doesn't work. Got a better one?

Ed


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Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 10:33amSanction this postReply
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Here, Ed:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PolPBKnVxnY


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Sunday, April 17, 2011 - 6:53pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Tres.

Ed


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Monday, April 18, 2011 - 12:19amSanction this postReply
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Teresa wrote,
Oh, I so disagree, Robert. I thought it was perfect, and really choked me up!
I'll second that!

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Monday, April 18, 2011 - 5:20pmSanction this postReply
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I third it.

:-)

Ed


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Monday, April 18, 2011 - 5:46pmSanction this postReply
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I saw it and I enjoyed it as well. And I echo the sentiment here that it was too compressed, 90 minutes doesn't seem enough. I'm hoping there will be a director's cut.

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Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 10:03amSanction this postReply
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The old right-wing contempt for Rand lives: Gerson


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Sunday, April 24, 2011 - 10:25amSanction this postReply
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Here is a quote from Gerson's review of the movie, "Reaction to Rand draws a line in political theory. Some believe with Rand that all government is coercion and theft the tearing-down of the strong for the benefit of the undeserving. Others believe that government has a limited but noble role in helping the most vulnerable in society not motivated by egalitarianism, which is destructive, but by compassion, which is human. And some root this duty in Gods particular concern for the vulnerable and undeserving, which eventually includes us all."

That is clearly the religious right - a group who are only conservatives because it feels like the most practical vehicle to ride in as they attempt to impose their religious beliefs. And those religious beliefs are their primary force and purpose for being political.

The split I hope to see in the future is between the religious right and all the other conservatives. That will do more towards freeing up conservatives to become libertarians than anything else. And that is the conversion of most of middle America - the biggest of the voting blocks today.

The religious right shares some characteristics with the ultra-progressives. They are both rabid. They are both faith-based (even through the progressives would deny it). They both pretend to be something they aren't. The religious right pretends to be for freedom when they really want to impose their religious views, they are really pretending to be conservatives when instead they should have a party named something like the "American Christian Party." The ultra-progressives are really Marxists who are willing to transform us into socialism instead of having a revolt. Both lie about their positions, beliefs, agendas, and use lies about their opponents to achieve cheap scores.
(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 4/24, 10:33am)


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Monday, April 25, 2011 - 4:17amSanction this postReply
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Here is another view of the movie, and more importantly, of Rands philosophy. I learned of it through a post of Ellen Stuttles at Objectivist Living. This is the most honest and respectful assessment of Rands philosophy by a Christian that I have ever seen in print. It is a spring of clean water compared to the traditional stream (sewer) from Buckley to Gerson.

See also


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Thursday, April 28, 2011 - 7:07pmSanction this postReply
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Stephen,

It may be the most honest and respectful assessment by a Christian, but it's not totally honest and respectful. I have some critical thinking to interject with what is written in the hyper-link:

Ayn Rand was the "mother" of the Objectivist movement. She (as well as this movement) was outspokenly atheistic and demonstratively anti-religion.
But Rand wasn't "anti-religion" in a manner that is not unusual to the term, where the anti-religionist argues against freedom of thought and conscience. Instead, she argued for freedom of thought. She wasn't so against religion that she would ever use force to try to stamp it out. It'd be more honest to say she was intellectually against religion, or something like that.
Her basic philosophy is anti-god-in-any-and-all-forms.
See above.@
To them the idea of "pride as a virtue" is paramount; the idea it may be a "sin" is scandalous.
Okay, but you have to be careful because of the ambiguity of the word: pride. There are at least two senses or meanings. On the one hand, you have earned pride. On the other, you have unearned pride. Richard Jordan doesn't distinguish between these two -- even though it is obvious that he has a good grasp of Objectivism. That seems dishonest of him.
For them, faith is simply "belief in the absence of evidence."
Okay, but what is faith for "us" (the Believers) then? This question goes unanswered and is possibly being avoided/evaded.
Thus the book works from a premise of abandonment of God, the belief that we have a right to exist for ourselves, opposition to the concept of "sinful" man, the pursuit of happiness as a worthy and ultimate goal coupled with the need for a lack of compassion, charity and humility.@
"... the need for a lack of compassion, charity and humility."? Objectivists don't have some kind of abstract need that is met by going about your life in a manner as to avoid compassion, charity, and (earned!) humility. This is not an honest or respectful representation of Objectivism.

Thus is the ideal of the author of Atlas Shrugged. It is an ideal doomed to fail. See Romans 1:19-25. [e.g., "Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools,"]
The proverb about getting arrogant in your own, self-acclaimed wisdom/omniscience is a good proverb and I think even Rand would agree with it. In a sense, a certain pride does go before the fall. Think of an arrogant fool who stands up and loudly advertises that fact to everyone (by making some erroneous comment which he actually thinks is quite profound). I think Rand would agree, that there ought to be a proverb against that kind of a thing.

:-)

Ed

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