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Sunday, March 13, 2011 - 8:48amSanction this postReply
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Teresa:

"urban survivors" ...

And in that context I'm sure they weren't worried in the least with running afoul of any federal, state, or local permit authorities. (Just the odd marauding violent competitors, who also weren't worried about running afoul of the federal state or local police...) In that imagined context of complete anarchy, the easiest path to obtaining fuel might well be wait for some fools to actually produce it and then take it from them by force.

Sound familiar at all? Because in modern civil society, part of the function of the federal, state and local police is to oversee the somewhat modulated taking by force from those that can. In modern civil society, 'crime' is partially defined as resisting the demands of others to take from those who can.

But in terms of actually producing fuel, otherwise, those 'urban survivors' were free to just have at it and produce fuel any way they could imagine.

I sort of remember the concept for that show, but how did they explain that in that urban setting there were so few competing 'urban survivors?'


For 99% of us, what goes on in a refinery might as well be magic. That is the extent to which value-for-value based economies have succeeded in giving all of us the freedom to offer value in any manner we choose. And the human nature result is, mostly resentment and loathing for the far less than 1% who build refineries, to the extent that the 99% are angry when the price of gasoline suddenly starts to approach the cost of bottled water and we freshly have to begin to start to consider how we use it. We were all raised during a time when gasoline was so cheap that we barely had to consider its price, our 'win-win' was so great.

It is that same calculus for nearly everything of value in our value-for-value 'consumer is King' economies, with a roaming 1%, and the reaction by the great middle core of pandered to 'king consumers' is largely resentment and bafflement and anger at a world that provides for them with barely any effort at all on their part. And yet, it is not enough, as 'king consumer', to be carried. 'King consumer' hears political pandering stories about how much of 'the pie' they are personally getting in their receiving end of supply and demand, of create/produce and consume, of running uphill and running downhill. Not satisfied with the size of the 'win' in our side of the 'win-win' value-for-value transactions, we are freshly interested in the size of the 'win' in our exchange partners ledgers. That we 'win' in our single transaction is not enough, if the cumulative impact of the millions of wins in our suppliers ledgers is far greater.

That we win -- by having a single simple job to go to as a result of the efforts of those producing the supply side to feed millions of serve-demand transactions -- is not enough, if those at the core of this effort are living too well.

Politicians -- power grubbers in the middle of all this, know one thing, and that is, how to count heads, and the painless path to power in an unfettered democracy is always to pander to the roaming 99%.

The inevitable tribal result is what we see. And, those that can, adjust accordingly, to the latest tribal grab for never enough more.

regards,
Fred



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Saturday, June 1, 2013 - 2:31amSanction this postReply
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This thread is certainly a blast from the past. It's interesting re-reading it. The debates were intense, but I'd give the medal to the RoR community. Brent Kyle did put up quite a fight, though.

Anyway, I just came back to this thread to say that sometime after my OP, my friend told me that I was a member of the Bellevue ZM chapter (my friend being the founder). I haven't the heart to tell him my opinion of the movement. :).

Additionally, I never did attend the meeting mentioned in my OP. At the time of my OP, I thought my friend would be attending the meeting with me. A short while later (a few days before the meeting), my friend told me he had to work and couldn't attend. I didn't want to go alone and unarmed so I didn't (go the meeting). I didn't know anything about the meeting, its participants, or its activities. I only knew of the location and time at which it began. I didn't think it was worth the risk.

Sorry to disappoint. :(



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Sunday, June 2, 2013 - 7:49amSanction this postReply
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Kyle,

One of my replies (post 87) made me recall a recent event. Here is the quote:
On top of that, not only is it far-reaching to posit that "we" will be able to remove humans from top decision-making, but a contradiction has already occurred in that a human decision has been made by a few for all of mankind -- about ultimate goals concerning a pre-specified level of sustainability and preservation.

What this reasoning boils down to is this:

After I get my way regarding humanity's ultimate goals on Earth, then let's remove humans (e.g., Congress, voting citizens, etc) from all top decisions after that.
This childish mentality starts out where someone gets to state their personal position on things, and then they get to shut down all debate on the matter -- like making an opening statement but then immediately pleading the 5th Amendment after that. As a child, I would sometimes call someone names like "Dummy Head" or "Stupid Pants" or whatever, and then while they were attempting to defend themselves, I would shout:

La, la, la, la ... I'm not listening, I'm not listening ... la, la, la, la ... [repeated incessantly]
There is no discernible difference of this kind of behavior from the behavior of our current, arrogant, political leadership. None.

Ed


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Saturday, June 1, 2013 - 9:39pmSanction this postReply
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Sunday, June 2, 2013 - 2:06pmSanction this postReply
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The heady days of fast and furious questions have waned a little.

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