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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 11:46amSanction this postReply
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I want to begin by writing a piece of fiction. Part of it you may recognize as a paraphrase of a passage in Atlas Shrugged (Part I, Chapter 7, Second sequence)

Dagny sat in the taxi, looking out at the crumbling world around her, dreading what she was about to do, and trying to ignore the babble of platitudes and requests for agreement coming from her brother.

She was on the way to defend an idea strongly held -- a philosophy that had guided her life for as long as she had conscious convictions about anything at all. Indeed, she thought, "strongly held" is too weak for the level of conviction she brought to its defense. She did not formulate the philosophy, she could not claim it as her own, like the railroad. But she had studied it assiduously, made it part of her life and wore it now with the same casual pride with which she wore the gown she had chosen for this occasion.

She was mildly concerned that the event was sponsored by an organization that called itself SOAR, an acronym for Save Our American Railroads. As far as she had been able to determine in the few spare moments she had been able to give to researching it, the organization had no firm convictions about how to achieve its purpose beyond "we just love railroads, don't you?" and lots of debate about the various proposals that floated through the hot air that permeated the atmosphere in Washington.

But tonight, she thought, tonight would be an exception. Tonight SOAR wanted to hear her views, and she was ready. She had prepared a talk, a detailed argument for the necessity of grounding any effort to save the railroads in an unbreachable hands-off policy. She would argue that the owners of the railroads possessed the necessary interest in and the knowledge required to save them. If that were not enough, nothing could work, and the country might as well let them die a natural death. The title of her talk was "Saving the American Railroad: Ayn Rand's Case for Laissez-faire."

She thought of the pile of papers that she had left behind, unfinished, on her desk. She should be there, in her office, saving her railroad. If she could do that, perhaps the dreary scene outside her window would change. But she knew that the threat of  government involvement was an ever-present enemy of everything she valued. Ninety minutes for her talk and a Q&A and she could return to work.

The presence of James, his insistence on accompanying her, troubled her as well. His attitude toward the ideas she supported was negative. He gave some lip service to "free-enterprise" and was willing to listen to her ideas, but his constant mantra was "what if they're right?"  She sometimes believed that he wouldn't be able to select a tie if it weren't for the servants that he gathered around him.

He sat silently next to her, uncharacteristically thoughtful. They had gone a few more feet in the rush hour traffic when he said, "You'd better do a good job of defending Ayn Rand, because Manny Rubenstein can get pretty sarcastic."

"Manny Rubenstein?"

"He's going to be one of the speakers tonight."

"One of the . . . You didn't tell me there were going to be other speakers."

"Well . . . I . . . What difference does it make? You're not afraid of him, are you?"

"I'm giving a talk that involves my support of Ayn Rand . . . and you invite Manny Rubenstein?"

"Why not? Don't you think it's smart? He doesn't have any hard feelings against Objectivism, not really. He accepted the invitation. We want to be broad-minded and hear all sides and maybe win him over . . . Well, what are you staring at? You'll be able to beat him, won't you?"

" . . . to beat him?"

"On the air. It's going to be a radio broadcast. You're going to debate with him the question: 'Is the Ayn Rand cult the way to save the railroads?'"

"Stop the car," she said.

"But why?"

"You goddamn fool, do you think I consider their question debatable?"

So much for fiction. Here are the facts. I have decided to stop the car and get out. I am asking Lindsey to remove my name from the membership roles.

I asked a couple of you last week what you were doing here. I thought I ought to ask myself the same thing.

If I was passing wind or engaging in lonely self stimulation, loving the sound of my own voice, then I needed to leave.

And if I was trying to convert anyone, I was wasting my time. There are much better minds than mine making the case for Objectivism, for Ayn Rand and for ARI. It is their career and  not mine, even if my mind is every bit as good as theirs. If you are not convinced by those who have made Objectivism their life work, anything I have to say is not going to do the job.

I have said my piece. Agree or disagree. It's no longer my problem.

Some of you will understand and agree and may choose to join me in leaving. Others of you will stay on in the vain hope that this is the place to make a difference. Others will take advantage of this post to press your case that I am an unthinking Ayn Rand groupie, a cultist beyond redemption.

For those who understand and those who hope, I wish you well. If you sanctioned anything I said, I thank you. For the rest, make whatever you want of this. Frankly, guys and gals, I don't give a damn.

Have at it!

Tom


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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 2:33pmSanction this postReply
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Tom,

I have respected you and enjoyed interaction with you over all the time you have posted on Solo. I have joked because you are a bit of a ham, always making a grandstand exit and always coming back. I have presumed that the ideas were what was guiding you and driving you. I see that I was mistaken.

You just came out with the following crap, after a very mediocre imitation of Ayn Rand (almost a rip-off):
Some of you will understand and agree and may choose to join me in leaving. Others of you will stay on in the vain hope that this is the place to make a difference.
You dare spit in the face of those who are giving you a public voice and audience? You are trying to get people to leave Solo? ON THEIR FORUM?

USING THEIR FORUM TO TRY TO ATTACK IT?

Please be advised that your leaving will not make any difference whatsoever.

I don't speak for Solo. I speak for Michael Stuart Kelly.

Fuck you, Tom.

Good riddance.

Michael


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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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Tom Roland's Second Annual Going Out of Business Sale!

I'll tell you what, Tom.  I'll just slow the car down and you can hit the ground running.


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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 2:52pmSanction this postReply
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He never seemed happy here.

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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 5:33pmSanction this postReply
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Ten bucks says he'll be back posting before you know it!

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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 5:42pmSanction this postReply
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Ok. Good-bye. I hope the best for you.

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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 6:01pmSanction this postReply
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Tom,

Do you really think that debating with various persons on SOLO concerning the cultish potential of Ayn Rand's philosophy--or, at least, of some of the advocacy groups that claim to be inspired by her philosophy--is comparable to debating Bertram Scudder, on the proposition that "Rearden Metal is a lethal product of greed"?

On second thought, yes, I suppose you do.  As you've done so many times on many different threads, you've expressed a point of view that is prevalent at the Ayn Rand Institute, directly and matter of factly, with a minimum of artifice.

I'm genuinely going to miss your contributions here.  Particularly since you've apparently vacated the scene before I had the time to put together my post with the circles and arrows and links to your manifold posts, documenting all of the allegedly wild assertions that I was making about the ARI way of thinking.  And, of course, before you had the chance to show me, in detail, what I've been getting wrong...

Robert Campbell


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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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Tom, your post inspired me to propose a new icon to supplement the Atlas sanction icons.  I hereby award you three wanktion icons!

  


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Friday, October 7, 2005 - 8:56pmSanction this postReply
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Careful where you aim that thing! ROFL.

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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 9:04amSanction this postReply
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Ah, nothing like the comforts that good fellowship and community provide.


rde
Q: How do you tell something to a woman with two black eyes?
A: You don't, you already told her twice.


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 9:44amSanction this postReply
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I have to share an offline communication with you all. LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...

Kat asked me when Luke's icon was going to blow. So I asked Luke.

Here is what he just sent me:

Oh, well, some of these wankers can go forever and never render a climax to their arguments!

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL...

Michael

(Edited by Michael Stuart Kelly on 10/08, 9:45am)


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 11:34amSanction this postReply
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I think the funnier part of the whole thing is to consider how much trouble it takes (vis-a-vis the big picture) to research and post multiple hand job animations.

Even if you are skilled, and it takes only a moment,. it still speaks to your primary motivation.

rde
Rubbing one off, hard.


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 12:02pmSanction this postReply
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Why, Rich, my primary motivation was to convey three thousand words efficiently.  You do know that a picture is worth a thousand words, right?

As for the effort, an "unfiltered" image search in Google using the key word wank yielded, amidst the pornography, this useful site:

http://www.criticalmiss.com/issue8/funwithdice1.html

Presto!  Use Microsoft GIF Animator and you have the perfect artistically metaphorical rendering of the initial post in this thread.


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 12:21pmSanction this postReply
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Luke,

I looked. You play with loaded dice. LOLOLOL...

I kinda liked that slap technique...

//;-)

Michael


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 12:39pmSanction this postReply
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Perhaps I should provide him with some solace from Nathaniel Branden.

You know, where he says "your thoughts are your thoughts", and how important it is to accept that without applying judgment on yourself.

So, Luke, if you went to the point of using the Internet, one of the most significant developments in the history of communications to simply reinforce your point by doing a global search to find a good wanker gif, know that you are not a pioneer. We have all surfed the dark edges of it.

rde
Off to Google to track down his own foul eclectic shit.


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 2:23pmSanction this postReply
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Asa long long time role-player, I enjoyed that link luke, and your clever use of it here. Just great!

Ethan


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Saturday, October 8, 2005 - 2:59pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Ethan, I always appreciate a sincere sanction of the wanktion.

Phil Coates, not to worry, my use of three concurrent wanktions does not intend to compete with your inimitable trichotomy.

(Edited by Luke Setzer on 10/08, 3:02pm)


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Monday, October 10, 2005 - 7:43amSanction this postReply
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The question becomes how much self-immolation will be needed for him to pick up that fourth and critical wanktion. Perhaps they should be condensed into one golden, Atlas-hand jerkin' his giant gherkin.

I suggest he works with the three he has, and then mails the, er, results directly to the editor for spectral analysis.


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Monday, March 20, 2006 - 3:29pmSanction this postReply
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I would like to make an unconditional apology to Tom Rowland for my improper and insulting level of discourse on this thread. I also repeated this behavior in offline correspondence with him at the time.

The reasons why I acted that way are not important. What is important is that I was way out of line.

Tom, you have my deepest apology. This will never be repeated.

Michael


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