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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 1:25amSanction this postReply
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I went to see Serenity earlier. It gets a "Holy shit, that was amazing." I won't talk about the plot, but I'm placing it up there with Batman Begins for my favorite movies in the last... um, really long time.

Sarah

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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 10:05amSanction this postReply
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I saw it too.  I loved it.  Joss Whedon is a genius.

I've heard some Objectivists talk before on Solo about how they love Firefly, the sci-fi/western TV show this movie is based on.  There were some old threads about it, and the show seems to have a lot of fans on this forum.  I also noticed that Diana Hsieh at noodlefood is a fan.  The TV show got canceled during its first season, but high DVD sales, a cult following on the internet, and Joss Whedon's desperate refusal to give up gave the show new life in movie form.  But now everything depends on how well the movie does--if it does well, it will become a trilogy, and the story that was meant to be told will be told.  The opening weekend (including tonight) is critical.

EVERYONE MUST GO SEE THIS MOVIE!  SEE IT TONIGHT!  I'm going to see it again, tonight, with a lot of my friends.

(Edited by Daniel O'Connor on 10/01, 10:05am)


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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 1:44pmSanction this postReply
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Gonna have to see it.  Don't have the cash but I've been getting into Whedon (he's been writing some REALLY EXCELLENT X-Men lately) so I'll probably check it out.

---Landon


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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 3:00pmSanction this postReply
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The movie is fine on its own as an action flick, but the libertarian political undertones are a welcome bonus. Some memorable quotes:

River Tam, in reply to a student who asks why the outer "Confederate" planets were reluctant to accede to the "civilizing" influence of the Alliance (a powerful central government run by a parliament): "We meddle ... People don't like to be meddled with. We tell them what to do, what to think, don't run, don't walk. We're in their homes and in their heads, and we haven't the right. We're meddlesome."
 
I know a "progressive" here at UM who quite proudly calls himself a "social engineer," and wishes to restore an aura of respect and honor to that term. He makes no qualms and feels no shame for his desire to use the mechanisms of government to tweak countless aspects of American life to better suit his own preferences. If nothing else, the movie makes some excellent commentary on how wrongheaded and downright creepy that social engineering mentality really is.

Another great line from Captain Malcolm Reynolds: "[The Alliance will] swing back to the belief that they can make people better. And I don't hold to that."

As a big fan of the series, I also thought the movie wraps everything up quite nicely, yet managed to follow its own path and did not come across as a "two hour television episode." For you browncoats out there, all the sarcastic dialogue, sexual tension, and gritty feel you loved about the series is here in spades -- and in some cases, dialed up a notch.

(Edited by Andrew Bissell on 10/01, 3:08pm)


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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 5:40pmSanction this postReply
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Took a girl to the cinema just last night and beheld serenity, and also Serenity.

It wasn't so special, but you get your money's worth no doubt. There are two major triumphs that impress me about this creation.

Firstly, the vernacular. I love that wise-ass Buffy and West Wing jive. Even in crisis this manages to convey a sense of calm, control and camaraderie. Maybe they're 'at each other's throats' or facing down death but the context of their speech always underlies the fact that they're mates and that their nerve is irrepressible. The Old West hayseed-talk is a great touch too, I haven't yet seen Firefly, I didn't know they did that. And it's not just the talk either, it's the look. River's little brow wrinkle expressions say so much.
 I  think a vernacular somewhat like this is what the teenie-bopper girl clusters we see on the trams and trains of the world are trying to discover and build.

The second triumph of this movie is that it shows us how to fight. The (very well cast) bad guy is a true believer, he's 'justified', well groomed and lethal. He is fully convinced that the pious might of his regime is unstoppable, one small ship- one man- is no match for the empire. The film makes us feel the full weight of just how well-armed and well-supplied these regimented demi-god rulers are. What a contrast to the rag-tag, loose-talking, freedom-loving crew of Serenity! But in the face of such gravity of oppression our guys refuse to be oppressed, it is never shown. We feel it as viewers but the goodies don't buy into it for a second. Clean uniforms and shiny sleek ships are not the same thing as justice. Illegal is not the same as criminal. The antagonist could not have been deserving of a worse fate.

Now I've made it sound a bit like a fantastic movie you have to see. I didn't mean to. But perhaps it is. :)


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Saturday, October 1, 2005 - 6:12pmSanction this postReply
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I watched it yesterday. It was great! The movie theatre was a piece of junk though. The speakers made a high pitch noise when the characters spoke, the screen was small, the place smelled old, burnt popcorn...

But it was worth it. The characters of Serenity live life to the fullest, I'm in love with them like one falls in love with the characters in Atlas and The Fountainhead.

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 12:48pmSanction this postReply
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My room-mate and I just started the series, and just watched the first episode on the second disc. I'd like to finish the series before I watch the movie. Is this advisable? Or can I get by without?

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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 1:18pmSanction this postReply
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Brandon:

You should finish. The movie picks up soon after the series left off, but there is a lot of upheaval at the end of the series that might make the movie's context seem a little puzzling to you. I'd actually say the person who would be most confused at a viewing of Serenity would be one who had viewed only part of the series.


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 1:27pmSanction this postReply
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I saw the libertarian undertones but didn't really rate the series (which I watched all of last week).

The movie probably won't make it to NZ (I don't think the series did) so can someone SOLOmail me whether:
1) Mal gets together with Irana,
2) Simon gets together with Kayley,
3) River stabilised (and I bet she ends up with that dumbass Baldwin oaf if the movie makes it to a trilogy!).
4) That ginger ninja hotty with the large, errm, eyes makes an appearance

Ta,

AB.


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 3:34pmSanction this postReply
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I saw Serenity today. Wow! I highly recommend this movie.


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Sunday, October 2, 2005 - 4:59pmSanction this postReply
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Andrew Bates, I'm sorry to disappoint you, but the redheaded criminal Saffron doesn't show up in Serenity. But there's enough good stuff in there that Saffron and her boobies don't matter much. For those of you who might not be able to see Serenity until you can import the DVD, here's a spoiler. Don't read it unless you absolute have to; you're much better off seeing the film if you can.

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Thursday, October 6, 2005 - 9:21pmSanction this postReply
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Tomorrow begins Serenity's second weekend.  Whether or not the movie succeeds depends on word of mouth and whether or not the movie has legs, so let me encourage everyone who hasn't seen it to check it out.  You will be entertained at least, even if you don't become a Firefly fanatic like me

If you'd like to see the first nine minutes of the movie, try this link:

http://video.vividas.com/CDN1/3929_Serenity/web/index.html


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 5:14pmSanction this postReply
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Having now seen Serenity 4 times, I can say that it is one of the rare movies that is better after the first viewing.  This is (in my case) because the first time I couldn't stop from being sad about the fact that it might be last view we have of the Firefly universe and that, at a minimum, we would have to wait a long time to see a sequel.  But on subsequent viewings, I was able to put this behind me and consider the movie on its own terms for what it is: the greatest action movie in a long time and maybe the greatest movie in the genre of space opera of all time.

So, if you saw it once and liked it, go see it again while it is still on the big screen.  This will be great entertainment itself, plus can only help the chance of a sequel.

-Bill


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 6:28pmSanction this postReply
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Asian cultural influences in Serenity:

(very minor, abstruse spoilers)

There has been quite a bit of discussion on the net of Chinese phrases and other influences on Firefly, and I am sure this movie will kick off more.  But there is also a lot of Hindu symbolism that has gone unremarked.

In the new visual companion book, it says that Inara's wardrobe for the film has a very Indian feel to it, but there is a more dramatic Hindu element relating to River.  The procedures performed on her to give her psychic powers include the needle in the skull right in the center of her forehead.  In South Asian symbolism, the third eye is in this position and represents the ability to see into the soul, rather than just surface appearances.  Later, in one of the dream sequences, we see her with blood dripping from the position of this needle, imitating the pattern of a big red Hindu 'tilak' or 'bindi'. (http://www.hinduism.co.za/tilak.htm, http://www.ebiztrust.com/jbiz/fbindi.jsp)  Also, the female cartoon characters in the 'Japanese' ad for Fruity Oaty Bars display their own bindiya.

There is a great deal of Chinese language evident in Serenity, both oral and written.  We will have to wait for someone with skills in that area to provide us with some insight into it.  But not all the Asian writing is Chinese.  On the third viewing, I caught the fact that the red and white diamond-shaped sign in the cockpit (visible briefly when Mal confronts River there alone when she is bringing up the planetary chart) has wording in the Devanagari script used for writing Hindi, Sanskrit, and other languages of northern and central South Asia.  Later in the movie, I think there is a big sign on the side of the cargo bay that also has Devanagari on it.

The diamond-shaped sign looks something like a high-voltage warning in its overall form, and the big word in the center begins with the Devanagari long 'a' character, आ, (representing more-or-less the same vowel as in the first syllable of the English word 'father') followed, I think, by a 'ma' character, म.  Further along in the word I think there is a 'da' (unaspirated, dental) character, ढ.  Later, when the crew are in the cockpit considering their next move, you can clearly see the initial 'aa' character next to Jayne, with his shoulder blocking the rest of the word.  I tried looking up words starting with 'aam' आम in a Hindi-English dictionary, but there were no obvious matches.

On my fourth viewing I didn't spot the cargo bay sign again at all.

When the movie comes out on DVD, I'll freeze frame on those two scenes and provide more details.

-Bill


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 7:34pmSanction this postReply
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Bill,

You are obsessed.

I've seen the DVD and the movie.  Here is a list of the translations for the Chinese mixed in with the dialogues:

shen me? - what?(Simon said that in the DVD)
mei mei - younger sister (Simon calls River that a few times)
dong le ma? - Understood? (Jayne said that a few times in the DVD, somebody might have said it in the movie as well.)
tian na - Oh my God! (I think Wash said that in the movie while flying)
fei wu - junk(Zoe called Firefly that in the episode she first saw it)
pi gu - butt

I think Mal said something like, "what business is it of yours?" to Kaylee in the DVD but he has poor diction.

That's all I can remember off the top of my head right now.

JJ

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(Edited by JJ Tuan on 10/16, 7:47pm)


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Sunday, October 16, 2005 - 11:21pmSanction this postReply
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Again, WOW.  I was a huge fan of the series and was pissed off when it was cancled.  At least Fox let Space: Above and Beyond finish out its season.

It was a great movie and it answered a lot of questions.  I've dabbed a little with scifi web forums and they're pretty much concluded that in the future, America and China are the two richest nations in the world with Europe too socialists to afford to leave.  The American and Chinese colonist joined together and formed the Alliance we all know and love.

Its not much of a spoiler but in the series, it wasn't clear at all if the ships were FTL and the worlds were in different solar systems.  Joss made that clear in the movie that the system they colonized had several "M" class worlds and they terraformed another 60 more moons and such.

The only problem I had was a bit of reconing they did (going back and changing the storyline).  In the series, the Reavers "mutplied" by forcing people to watch them torture others and driving them insane.  Not to spoil but its different in the movie.


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Monday, October 17, 2005 - 1:50amSanction this postReply
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Actually, I was wondering, how did they replicate themselves in the movie? Or were they just composed entirely of the original colonists who had been exposed to the Pax?

I have to say I was glad to see that the "Blue Sun Corporation" was absent from the movie, apparently replaced by the Parliament. The whole "mysterious evil super-powerful corporation" has been done so many times in sci-fi, it would have been very stale by the time it was used again in Serenity. It also gave the film a more libertarian tone, which is always a good thing.  :)


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Monday, October 17, 2005 - 5:18amSanction this postReply
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Andrew, I am a Firefly "amateur" since I have never seen the series, only saw the movie once and subsequently scanned some Web sites about the show to get some of the background information.

So take what I am about to say as the best interpretation of a novice.

The Pax incident happened 12 years prior to the events in the movie and killed 99.9% of the planet's population of 30 million via the drug's "pacifying" effects.  The intense and unexpected "agitating" effect it had on the other 0.1% that created the Reevers would have thus yielded 30,000 of the nasties.  That is certainly enough to last 12 years even with attrition from warfare and natural causes.

What I find challenging to the credibility of these characters is their ability to reason well enough to operate high-tech spaceships, work together in marauding teams, and so forth.  Their "society" must have some kind of internal structure and language and culture to allow this to happen.  These creatures are like Klingons on crack and steroids -- but without honor.

This is a movie I do not plan to see again and would not put in the same timeless class as Star Wars.  It was worth watching once for me, but those Reevers scared the daylights out of my wife!


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Monday, October 17, 2005 - 7:36amSanction this postReply
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I highly recommend this movie as well.  I had never seen Firefly and was completely unfamiliar with this, originally I just wanted to see this movie because it was Sci Fi and done in Lightwave, which is the 3D program I use.  I came out thoroughly surprised, this was probably one of the most enjoyable movies I have seen in a few years.  I liked the movie so much that upon hearing from my friend that it was based on a series with the same cast I went out and bought the series.  It's even better!  Again, I highly recommend this film, even to people completely unfamiliar with Firefly (as I was) 

Michael F Dickey


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Monday, October 17, 2005 - 8:10amSanction this postReply
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From what I remember of the series, the Reavers were seen as scavengers and pillagers. They never built their own ships but stole them, running them into the ground by running the engines at full tilt. Apparently opening the engines that way exuded a lot of radiation which was (until the movie) seen as the cause for their insanity, but it allowed the reavers to outrace most other spacecraft. They also were motivated by cannibalism, but like Luke said, you would think they would kill each other off until the last man.

I was also disappointed to see the series cancelled. You could tell they were building toward something, so much more is explained now after the movie. To be honest though, if I had not seen the series, I doubt I would have even understood the movie. Was anyone who had not seen the TV shows confused by the movie?

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