How to deal with an INTJ.

I read this and wondered what you other types thought.

http://www.students.yorku.ca/~kaldeway/about/howtodeal.shtml

gw

Post 1

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 12:55pm

Haha, well this list certainly describes what it is like to deal with me in a work situation. At my next job I should probably post this list at my desk.

- Jason

Post 2

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 1:09pm

Hehehe. I don't normally like "type" descriptions because they read like horoscopes (but I do think the concept of "types" has some merit, even if not done well right now), but this is spot on for me. I especially like: "They already know that they are arrogant bastards with a morbid sense of humor. Telling them the obvious accomplishes nothing." And I know I've annoyed some people with number 6, and plan to continue doing so. :)

Thanks for the fun read Gary.

Sarah

Post 3

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 1:26pm

The author forgot one: don't interrupt an INTJ when he's working. Unless there's a fire or you're going to drag him to bed and screw his brains out, he probably doesn't want to hear from you. :)

Post 4

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 1:28pm

Matthew,

Absolutely!

gw

Post 5

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 1:40pm

This is the missing manual.

Post 6

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 1:51pm

Her website is an interesting read. I'm going through her trip from evangelical Christian to atheist right now.

Sarah

Post 7

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 2:06pm

The ultimate INTJ insult to an idea is to ignore it, because that means it's not even interesting enough to deconstruct.

Ha ha! I have a lot of sweetness in me left over from my socialist days, and then my born-again christian days, so people don't quite figure out that I am brutal. When I rant I go harshly sarcastic (always alone), and it's really not as honest as straight anger, this is the one INTJ failing, but I'm not stopping now.

I loved reading this. Is there any other way to be?

Julia

Post 8

Friday, August 26, 2005 - 2:07pm

That list describes what it is like to work with me extremely well.

Laj.

Post 9

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 1:54pm

Scattershooting here because I'm bored -

I wonder if being of a certain personality type biases a person towards a given philosophy? Do we chose our philosophy because of how we are?

I know that would seem to diminish reason as a determinent in chosing a philosophy, but we INTJ's seem to be all about reason and therefore tend to gravitate toward reason based philosophies, because reason seems natural. But, what about the overtly "feeling" types that tend to permiate PC-ish/liberal-esque organizations? Does their personality prevent them from seeing the light? Is reason, to them...unnatural?

I expect no ooh's, aah's or reverence for my stupendous, ground breaking questions either!

Not from you arrogant bastards anyway! ;-)

gw

Post 10

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 2:01pm

Personally, I do think Objectivism attracts introverts, but that's not 100 percent, because I think a person can be attracted to their opposite, just like in personal relationships. An introvert could be attracted to socialism because of the idea of community that one may lack in their life. And so on.

Post 11

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 2:09pm

Gary,

I've wondered the same thing. In fact, I think I even brought it up here at one point. The idea of predisposition toward a philosophy bothered some and sounded too much like relativism. While I didn't get any solid answers on this topic explicitly, it is what got me interested in evolutionary psychology.

Sarah

Post 12

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 3:19pm

Gary Williams,

"[INTJ's] gravitate toward reason based philosophies, because reason seems natural."
Or maybe just because they prefer reason over... um... what? Non-reason?

"But, what about the overtly "feeling" types that tend to permiate PC-ish/liberal-esque organizations? Does their personality prevent them from seeing the light? Is reason, to them...unnatural?"
There is no reason-emotion dichotomy. Solo as evidence to that.

Some people are more capable of reasoning then others. Some people refuse to reason/think. I don't see how someone could consider reason as "unnatural". Such a person wouldn't have objectivism as their philosophy-- since an objectivist's decision making process is reason applied to reality to achieve a goal.

Post 13

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 4:47pm

DMG,

Some people are more capable of reasoning then others.

Yes, I agree.

Some people refuse to reason/think.

Yes, I agree.

I don't see how someone could consider reason as "unnatural".

Seemingly, the planet is full of them.

Such a person wouldn't have objectivism as their philosophy-- since an objectivist's decision making process is reason applied to reality to achieve a goal.

Yes, but is there a correlation between their personality and their chosen philosophy? Is there a correlation between Objectivists and their personality? Do we think what we think, in any way, because we are who we are? Are Objectivist mostly alike in personality? Are Communists mostly alike, personality wise?

"[INTJ's] gravitate toward reason based philosophies, because reason seems natural."
Or maybe just because they prefer reason over... um... what? Non-reason?

That I am sure is overly simplistic to an objective INTJ, but what about a touchy feely socialist? I am pretty sure I was clear that I believe virtually all INTJ's would choose reason. It is not even a choice really, it just comes naturally. People do not always choose reason and I am interested if their personality type skews their decision making in any way. Are there any factors in human psychology/physiology that can predetermine a philosophical/personality correlation?

gw

Post 14

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 4:57pm

Joe:

I would dare say philosophy as a whole probably attracts more introverts due to its nature of analysis and introspection against, say, marketing or communications, which would (I'm shooting in the dark here) attract E personalities more often than not.

Post 15

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 7:08pm

Isn't it possible that philosophy influences a personality? Seems possible to me. I wonder what our resident Meyers Briggs guru would say about it...

Makes me wonder about more controlled studies of this. Say, testing a group of individuals brought up in a more rigid philosophical environment, like strict Catholics or Baptists. I'm wondering if the result would be more linear then, as opposed to a group who embrace a more open view of life and it's options?

Roger?

Post 16

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 7:25pm

Reason, tho a necessity, is a learnedness - not an 'instinct'. That is why there are needed courses in logic - noncontradictory identification. And if it is considered, as it is to much of the world philosophy/religions, as at best being a 'necessary evil', to be discarded in times of not dire necessity, to be used only as required, then put aside - then why be surprised at the lack of those who know how to function it, who use it sparingly, only for the range of moments...[what's this? you dispute it being 'put aside'? - when was last time at party you 'talked shop', whatever shop was, but instead 'let yourself go' and existed via emotionalism, huh?]

Those who use and utilize reason more are those who, whether intuiitively or consciously, recognise it to be of major importance, and the more used and understood, the better the flourishing as humans.

Post 17

Saturday, August 27, 2005 - 8:17pm

Teresa,

Isn't it possible that philosophy influences a personality?

Yes, I think so, but not nearly as much as the vice-versa.

Robert,

All due respect to Ms. Rand, but I don't 100% buy into the No Instincts doctrine. (Heresy!)

And logic? Logic is what has been tickling my gray matter on this....matter. There does seem to be a correlation between personality and philosophy.

and

I don't go to parties.

gw

(Edited by gary williams on 8/27, 8:47pm)

Post 18

Sunday, August 28, 2005 - 1:46pm