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Post 100

Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 6:12pmSanction this postReply
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ahhhh I remember my MTG days. I had a five color deck called Prismatic Frustration. It was designed to sap the will of my oponents by taking at least 45 minutes per game. I'm trying to get into a D&D game now. It's hard for all the reasons you noted.

Ethan


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Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 6:52pmSanction this postReply
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Ethan: 45 minutes? LOL.

I've met a lot of annoying decks:

My friend Marti made this awful deck last night. It made you discard, killed off all your creatures, destroyed your land, took over graveyard creatures AND Racked you; you couldn't do crapola defensively, offensively, and you were tortured to boot. And it worked like a battering ram.

Others of this group have made games hilarious. One person once used his deck cards so that a card would untap another, which would untap another, etc. which would allow him to tap cards twice, which allowed him to untap others, etc. and in the end people were like, "Stop masturbating!!" This guy also had a deck called "Angry Broccoli" (I think), which is of course a green deck.

I prefer my decks small, fast, and sneaky. I'm a red/black/green type player.

It's hard to find time. But when it happens, it's great! :)

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Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 8:28pmSanction this postReply
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Ellen, in Italian "infierire" means to act ferociously toward someone, eventually  "inferred"  doesn't mean the same thing. :)

(Edited by Ciro D'Agostino on 4/30, 9:09pm)


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Post 103

Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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Jenna wrote,
I've met a lot of annoying decks:

My friend Marti made this awful deck last night. It made you discard, killed off all your creatures, destroyed your land, took over graveyard creatures AND Racked you; you couldn't do crapola defensively, offensively, and you were tortured to boot. And it worked like a battering ram.

Others of this group have made games hilarious. One person once used his deck cards so that a card would untap another, which would untap another, etc. which would allow him to tap cards twice, which allowed him to untap others, etc. and in the end people were like, "Stop masturbating!!" This guy also had a deck called "Angry Broccoli" (I think), which is of course a green deck.

I prefer my decks small, fast, and sneaky. I'm a red/black/green type player.
Jesus, Jenna, what in the hell are you talking about?? Now this really shows the generation gap. At some point, I'll be so old, I won't know what anyone under 50 is talking about or have any inkling of what kind of games they're playing. Then the world will really have passed me by - like it hasn't already! When I was younger, I'd hear the adage, "You can't teach an old dog new tricks," and wonder why that was so. Now I know. The old dogs don't care!

Forever clueless about anything developed within the last 20 years!

- Bill



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Post 104

Sunday, April 30, 2006 - 10:35pmSanction this postReply
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Ciro explains: "Ellen, in Italian 'infierire' means to act ferociously toward someone, eventually  'inferred'  doesn't mean the same thing. :)"

Ah, I see, a translation glitch. ;-)

Meanwhile, Jenna writes on the games subthread:

"My friend Marti made this awful deck last night. It made you discard, killed off all your creatures, destroyed your land, took over graveyard creatures AND Racked you; you couldn't do crapola defensively, offensively, and you were tortured to boot. And it worked like a battering ram."

LOL, since that seems to me metaphorically to convey the spot Chris is in. Just summarizing my own views on Chris's situation. As I see it, he has two choices, both unpleasant:

(1) to say nothing, in which case some of those disposed to think the best of him (but, IMO, people who aren't recognizing the realities of Chris's options) will conclude that the charges must be true;

(2) to quote at length from further personal correspondence -- his own *and other people's* -- a method he'd think badly of himself for using, and a method which would commit him to near-endless back-and-forth, back-and-forth, charge/countercharge ad infinitum (all of this consuming precious time and health resources).

If he simply says that a couple of the remarks he made weren't fair (I have candidates in mind but would prefer not to be specific), and lets it go with nothing else in response, this wouldn't be enough to satisfy those wanting him to offer a defense. It would likely just lead to further attempts at pushing him into talking.

Ciao,

Ellen


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Post 105

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 12:17amSanction this postReply
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Ellen: the thing with Marti's deck and your analogy is that Marti really came up against his own match--- my friend Yarry. Yarry was equipped to the nines--- he had tools, he knew how to use them, and he gave himself protection against exactly what Marti threw at him. In Magic games, you are basing a lot of your game on what card you draw (out of your library-- which you only have certain access to per turn), so some of it is chance.

The chance element in MTG: Yarry lost because of sucky card drawing. If Yarry got those cards in his hands, the show really ramps up. Marti got good draws and because those two decks worked fast, what cards you get in the first 2-4 turns really helps.

Yarry's deck was this: protection against black (Marti's color), equipment (compounded damage-- one big beefy creature will basically be invincible and cost your opponent major damage per turn), sources of power, overrall boosters (giving each creature [part of your army] extra power & extra defense), and major aggressiveness. If you don't draw the equipment, or the protection, or boosters, or sources, it stymies your game.

For Chris, his library is open... only to him. He knows everything he's got, he knows what cards he has, what he can get, and if he knows how to use them strategically and with wisdom, insight, foresight, etc., he can do a lot.

Magic isn't entirely about what deck you have, or what you draw. A player can come back from almost certain death with highly innovative thinking. It's about knowing what you got, knowing what you can have, knowing what you can't, and thinking out all kinds of perspectives. If you know this process, you are working with way more than just intelligence. Just having intelligence and tools means nothing if it's not adaptive, dynamic, wise, complex, wide-ranging, contextually relevant, consistent, self-acknowledged, self-correcting, self-ruled, and deep.

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Post 106

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 12:19amSanction this postReply
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William: Well, Magic isn't exactly floating around the mainstream either. It's pretty much geek/nerd territory, so even 80% of my own peers probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

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Under terms of strictest confidence, a friend of mine gave me the following explanation about why she is publicly denouncing a former friend and colleague. I thought that sharing it with you might help clarify the issues being batted about in the discussion of Diana Hsieh's coincidentally similar denunciation of a former friend and colleague. I haven't had time to digest all the complex issues myself, so I don't necessarily endorse what follows. Indeed, I am eager to remain carefully agnostic about the claims being made in this assault and apologia. I merely post it as a sort of "deep background" and FYI.

Double Dialectical Dastardliness
by Deena Shsiehster


This is to submit facts to a candid world as to why I renounce Chris Scabrous as the Satan Incarnate. I renounce him and all his works. For it is crucial that I repay all he has done for me in the past by stabbing him in the back now, and in the most trivially fulminous manner I can muster. Bear with me, for at this point such a course is the only according-to-me rational one left to me (which tells you an awful lot about me, but bear with me vis-a-vis that perturbing revelation as well, I prithee; I prithee verily).

Insofar as it is meet that I say these things, let me say them, let me say them now, and let me say them for all time. So let it be written, so let it be done.

1. A is A.

2. Existence exists.

3. People exist.

4. Ultimately, people are people....

[More words go here.]

...90. Also ultimately, some people are duplicitous enough to not say everything in public that they might less guardedly say in private to friends and associates whom they trust.

91. It is wrong to trust friends and associates to abstain from acting like wackadoo banshees from hell. Very wrong! Sob. It is hard to believe that we live in the sort of malevolent universe in which people would trust others in this kind of malicious fashion. It is completely inconsistent with the benevolent-universe premise and the objective-measurement-omission premise. People who act in that way deserve what they get.

92. Further ultimately, if a person speaks things in private discourse which he speaketh not also in public discourse, but which he could so publicly speaketh, for example via press releases that incorporate either collations of emails or transcriptions of phone conversations, or mayhap other reproducible discourse--as he had ought--then that person is a liar and I repudiate him forever and ever, and ever. It is not merely that I will no longer acknowledge him at parties but that I must and will make the sign of the non-A at him with my fingers!

93. For my part, you can trust me truly, every day in every way, should you tell me something in private conversation, or should I receive verifiable intelligence of instances of your private conversation with another person that have not yet been vouchsafed to the general public, to definitely keep all of it properly logged, indexed, and boxed until such time as it shall be objectively appropriate to publish them without your consent, and in accordance with the most objectively pitiful rationales available to my capacious intellect.

I do hereby affirm, now and forever, that you will never find me refraining from spewing anything about anybody in public, never find me refraining from exposing the lie of the discrepancy between the private saying and the public saying, never!...the only exception being with respect to persons from whom I am trying to collect a sanction or speaking invitation. Because I have too much integrity for that (i.e., too much integrity to violate the trust of prospective associates; and too much integrity not to violate the trust of past associates on grounds both base and trivial; let me know if you need flash cards, prithee)!

94. My name is not Comrade Sonia and there is no reason for anyone to think I am a Soviet-like enforcer of orthodoxy trying to woo a speaking invitation from any Soviet-like orthodoxy-enforcing ideological organization. Also, one of the billions of web sites out there has typos.

95. If I backstab former friends and associates on a regular basis, and in the most malignantly gleeful and fatuous way possible, well, I do so, albeit saddened by their deviation from the one true objective path, with a pure and open heart and full of nothing but objectivity and dedication to truth and right and good, full of it up to here. QED, the objective qua objective, the A that is A, amen.

P.S. Ultimately, all I ask is that you minutely peruse the full bill of particulars of my billion-word indictment, pretend that this kind of vorpish display is not transparently beyond the pale, salute my courage and integrity for hopping up and down on the ankles of my betters, and act accordingly.

Reprinted with the permission of the author from noodlefoodlegeshaft.con, the official smear site of Deena Shsiehster.
(Edited by Evelyn Z Pickering
on 5/01, 9:27am)

(Edited by Evelyn Z Pickering
on 5/01, 9:28am)


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Post 108

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 2:14amSanction this postReply
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Jenna,

So are you recommending that Chris quote material from private correspondence others have sent to him, and spend days, weeks, months (who the hell knows how long?) playing "he said/they said"? If not, I fail to see what advice it is you're giving. (Not that I'm not entertained by the game analogies, but this is a very real life situation.)

Ellen

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Monday, May 1, 2006 - 2:18amSanction this postReply
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Evelyn Z. Pickering wrote: [....]

I suspect "the fine Italian hand" of a certain person rather (in)famous for elist pseudonymous escapades. I suggest not trying that one again (assuming my suspicion is correct).

Ellen

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Monday, May 1, 2006 - 2:24amSanction this postReply
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It just occurred to me, comparing Jenna's two notes about her friend Marti and his deck, that I probably misunderstood what she meant by the word "made." The second post implies that "made" was meant in the sense of using skill. I first understood her to mean in the sense of getting a bad draw to start with.

Obviously, I know nothing of the specifics of the game being described.

Ellen

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Post 111

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 2:58amSanction this postReply
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ellen, I can understand you :)

I have been playing MTG (Magic: the Gathering) for 5 years in my teens and if I used my playing cards now, I'd get beaten easily.

It is incredible how unclever the developers were in balancing the game. They did not get creative, but rather made everything a lot stronger, which is basically unfair to elder players ;)
On the other side, it is wisely done to increase profit, because even players with cards who have abstained for some years,have to start anew.

Obviously Chris' strategic move will be interepreted to determine whether Mr. Hsieh is right or wrong (at least for some people who still check facts and don't already made up their minds). And I think Jenna has truly hit the nail, that all kind of moves can be interpreted as Chris' is wrong. Even if he starts to dig up evidence from his personal correspondence, because that would be a breach of private rights.

By the way, Jenna, you should check out Elder Scrolls:

Beautful graphics (I am also a bit addicted to good graphics ;)
I hope to see Gothic 3 to improve on that :)
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Post 112

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 4:59amSanction this postReply
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Look into this face Shudder  Tremble  Gasp

What is 'dialectical dishonesty? -- essay? Personal blog entry? Part-scholarly document?

If essay, what is an essay?

What is scholarship and what is its relationship to normal inquiry?

Is it to normal inquiry as science is to normal inquiry?

-- objectivist high opera -- soon on dvd and ppv!

-- is there such a thing as a sense of proportion?

-- revenge fantasies: tools for scholars? tools for bloggers? tools for all?


Masque of the Red Death
Starring Diana Mertz Hsieh, Chris Sciabara, Vincent Price, Boris Karloff, Bela Lugosi, Betty Page
. . . featuring the Three Stooges [ARI] -Fahy, Valliant and Valliant
and the Three Stooges [TOC] -Branden and Branden, Mr VRQABB666



'Under terms of the strictest confidence' is a lovely term . . . (I shall perhaps use it, with a link to the perhaps-pseudonymous Evelyn Z Pickering's piece, as a title at Blog 46)

We are faced with the unpleasant option of participating in an O-world Soap Opera in which we were not willingly cast. By making herself and Chris Matthew Sciabarra the central actors in a modern-day Masque she has expressly cast every other putative actor onto the playlist -- including the more-than-several un-named thems and theys and hims and hers in her denunciation.

This is perhaps a blunder.

'In terms of the strictest confidence' -- this is the interesting situation which La Mertz's internet-only essay in question has removed us. On the other hand, La Sciabarra may not wish to discuss anything given in strictest confidence by La Mertz via phone or email. Indeed, it is Miss Mertz who has opened up the Nasty Box. Who is responsible for its contents and keeping now?

Which leaves us with La Stuttle's alternatives.

I would add a third: question the authority and interpretation of La Mertz's contentions point by point.

If hers is but a diffuse, little-warranted rant -- a plodding critique, such as that initiated by La Coates -- is the better tonic. La Sciabarra sits serene and silent in the far, celestial planes of scholarship, La Mertz continues her public mud-wrasslin' in the open spotlight.

The best of both worlds requires an effort of Sciabarra supporters: perhaps for Phil or Ellen or Chris Cathcart to establish a Concordance for Dialectical Dishonesty, and beginning at the top, number the paragraphs, provide missing references (and original citations, etcetera), clarifications, analysis, counter-evidence, missing and unredacted documents, missing documents, missing evidence, missing testimony, missing witnesses, escaped witnesses, witnesses in federal Witness Protection, witnessess and evidence buried deep in DMH's vault, evidence, evidence, evidence . . .

Then the work of critique can be parcelled out.

So, I plan on doing Paragraph 1++ (although will back off if this is forthcoming).


I suggest the parcels be registered in a single place. Perhaps a blog could be set up for this purpose. The blog could be wide open.

What makes this project doable is that Diana Mertz Hsieh will accept any polite email inquiry within reason and remit of her project. Another advantage is that the work required does not need commentary on every last paragraph, because it is incumbent upon Diana to respond to questions regarding her references and interpretations and possible counter-evidence in her possession not yet entered into the public record.

She holds the decks (insofar as the infamous 400 emails back and forth, the entire corpus from which she draws her selected quotations), all the cards, but is forced into a role as Dealer.

So, she can be politely requested to deal. She might understand that by publishing select excerpts from her archive she has opened the door to justifiable requests that she publish the full context, the entire 400 emails.

As I say, I will start with Paragraph 1**. Anyone want to join me in requesting Full Disclosure of Mrs Hsieh?

WSS

[Jenna, slept through the chat tonight -- too many treeplanters in town . . . apologies to you and the Guignolards] So sorry, what a dope.

++++++++


I've added a sub section to Ellen Stuttle's alternatives:

(1) to say nothing, in which case some of those disposed to think the best of him (but, IMO, people who aren't recognizing the realities of Chris's options) will conclude that the charges must be true;

**(1)(a) to analyse and critique each paragraph of a standardized, referenced version of the Mertz Hsieh essay. Sciabarra: stately silence.
(1)(b) to request full context, release of the 400 emails from Diana Mertz Hsieh.

(2) to quote at length from further personal correspondence -- his own *and other people's* -- a method he'd think badly of himself for using, and a method which would commit him to near-endless back-and-forth, back-and-forth, charge/countercharge ad infinitum (all of this consuming precious time and health resources).

If he simply says that a couple of the remarks he made weren't fair (I have candidates in mind but would prefer not to be specific), and lets it go with nothing else in response, this wouldn't be enough to satisfy those wanting him to offer a defense. It would likely just lead to further attempts at pushing him into talking.


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Chris Matthew Sciabarra is best known as the
"dialectical libertarian" [BY WHOM -- THE
QUOTATION MARKS INDICATE A QUOTE. WHO SAYS THIS
AND WHERE?
] scholar of Ayn Rand's philosophy. He is
the editor of the Journal of Ayn Rand Studies [1]
(JARS), the author of Ayn Rand: The Russian
Radical [2], and the co-editor of Feminist
Interpretations of Ayn Rand [3]. For many
years, Chris was also a friend of mine*** WHEN DID
YOU FIRST CONSIDER CHRIS A FRIEND?
, a rare source
of support and encouragement.***HOW DID OTHERS
TREAT YOU? WAS HE YOUR ONLY FRIEND? WHAT DID YOU
FIND OUT WAS SAID OF YOU BY OTHERS AT THE TIME?


He particularly invited me to submit a proposal
for Feminist Interpretations of Ayn Rand, an essay
that ultimately became my first professional
publication. He wrote a letter of recommendation
for my application to CU Boulder's graduate
program in philosophy. He enthusiastically
supported my work. He generously offered me
professional advice. We spoke repeatedly on the
phone about my overwhelming unhappiness with The
Objectivist Center (TOC), often at great length.
*** DID YOU EVER GIVE CHRIS THE IMPRESSION THAT
YOUR CONVERSATIONS WITH HIM
SHOULD BE TREATED AS CONFIDENTIAL? WERE YOU OPEN
AT THE TIME WITH YOUR DISSATISFACTION OTHER THAN TO CHRIS? WITH
WHOM? WHAT WERE YOU SAYING PUBLICLY, OUTSIDE OF PHONE AND
EMAIL CONVERSATIONS WITH CHRIS?


YOU HAVE QUOTED FROM SEVERAL EMAILS. WILL YOU
PROVIDE FULL CONTEXT FOR THE EMAILS YOU HAVE
QUOTED?

At least in private, he supported my eventual
disassociation [4] from that organization, albeit
with some reservations*** WHAT WERE THE
RESERVATIONS?
about my so thoroughly burning my
bridges.*** WHY "BURNING BRIDGES"? All in all, I
have well over 400 personal e-mails between us in
my archive. HOW MANY WERE INITIATED BY YOU, AND
HOW MANY WERE INITIATED BY HIM?

We spoke on the phone probably around 15 times but
never managed to meet in person.*** WHY NOT? DID
YOU MEET OTHERS OF TOC OF THIS ERA? ARE YOU CORDIAL WITH
THEM, NOW?

DID YOU ATTEMPT TO CONTACT OR ALERT CHRIS TO THE PUBLICATION OF YOUR ESSAY? DID YOU SEND A PERSONAL COPY TO CHRIS, OR A LINK TO YOUR POSTING ON SOLO AND ON YOUR BLOG?

After my February 2004 disassociation from TOC,
however, Chris and I became increasingly
estranged. We formally parted ways in August 2005
on apparently cordial terms. PLEASE PROVIDE QUOTE
FROM EMAIL OR LETTER OR ANNOTED PHONE CALL
At that
time, I told him I would not publicly attack him
or his work out of consideration for our past
friendship. PLEASE QUOTE FROM ANY DOCUMENT THAT
PROVIDES CONTEXT FOR THIS CRUCIAL ASSERTION.



YOU HAVE TOLD US THAT YOU HAVE NEVER MET CHRIS FACE TO FACE, DESPITE 400 EMAILS AND 15 PHONE CONVERSATIONS. WOULD YOU MEET CHRIS FACE TO FACE? WOULD YOU REFUSE TO MEET CHRIS SCIABARRA IN OPEN FORUM? IN ANY FORUM? IN PRIVATE SESSION? IN A LUXURY CONFERENCE HOTEL FOR THREE FUN-FILLED DAYS, ALL EXPENSES PAID, MAUI, TOPEKA, ST TROPEZ?


666. Mr Very Really Quite Awful, Bannable and Bad

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Post 113

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 10:11amSanction this postReply
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"I suspect 'the fine Italian hand' of a certain person rather (in)famous for elist pseudonymous escapades. I suggest not trying that one again (assuming my suspicion is correct)."

Not accusing either me or Deena Shseihster of being Italian, I hope? Sorry, I'm not Italian. Not Deena neither. No cigar there.

Also, I resent the implication that either I or Deena is perpetrating some kind of "pseudonymous escapade." Deena is a good friend who has had to make the most difficult decision of her life with respect to vis-a-vis whether to indiscriminately puke all over an erstwhile allegedly cherished friend and colleague. Deena has done so despite all her natural compunction, which is a lot. I thought there were some interesting parallels to the case before us, that is all, so why the attempt to diminish my contribution? O woe is me that I am so misunderstood! O the humanity!

Please, please, please don't feel you can honestly and objectively respond to what Ms. Shseihster has documented with a few distracting lines about either my or Deena's putative lineage. Focus on the evidence, the logic, the noble fiber and motives of Shseihster's infinite obeisance to the requirements of reality. And please, please, please, please, please, please, I beg you, no more of this talk of "Italian," "certain person," "pseudonymous escapades," "suggest," "not," "trying," "that," "one," "again," and so forth. It is beneath you and above you and to the side to release these sorts of red herrings.

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Monday, May 1, 2006 - 10:13amSanction this postReply
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Evelyn Z Pickering,

You are bordering on troll-hood.

Say something worthwhile or go away.

Ethan


Post 115

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 10:24amSanction this postReply
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"You are bordering on troll-hood. Say something worthwhile or go away."

You have crossed the line into troll-hood-dom. Go away.

Post 116

Monday, May 1, 2006 - 11:54amSanction this postReply
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****We now return to your regularly scheduled programming****

Post 117

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Evelyn, that's the funniest thing I've read all day! 


Post 118

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You sound familiar, Evelyn. Nice satire--- it's a talent that I don't possess in great quantities....

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Err, yeah, I thought so too, but Evelyn just told me she was put on moderation for it.  More to the story, maybe?   Who do you all think Evelyn really is?  I don't have a clue, myself.

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