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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 11:04amSanction this postReply
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Here's Buckley arguing Intelligent Design (starting just after minute-mark 4:00). An exercise for the viewer is to see if you can determine his psycho-epistemology from his action/reaction to probing questions back and forth:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JS5TlcRMaFU

... and here's the next one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cvwhIG2DZyI&feature=related

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 1:32pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

That's an excellent blog. I watched a little of the YouTube vids but I have little toleration for religious nonsense. However I'm glad I took the time to read the full blog for the richness it gives to my understanding of the history of the American Conservatives.
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"While Rand was alive, she tried to warn Barry Goldwater of a movement, cabal, or pressure group without a name..." [Ed]

"This leads me to the subject of the National Review. I am profoundly opposed to it--not because it is a religious magazine, but because it pretends that it is not. ...
... to slip religious goals by stealth on those who would not accept them openly, to "bore from within," to tie Conservatism to religion, and thus to take over the American Conservatives. This attempt comes from a pressure group wider than the National Review, but the National Review is one of its manifestations. ..."
[Rand]

"...when it comes to a conflict between religion and the greatest philosophical (and literary) defender of liberty in the past century, the conservatives have chosen—and are continuing to choose—religion." [Robert Tracinski]

Epistemologically, this problem is broader than the explanation of religion being held as the more fundamental of the principles. The mechanism at work here is that reason was not the tool that laid down the more fundamental of the principles and then rationalization, instead of reason, is used to make arguments. The result is a divorce from reality in attempting to connect principles to a political decision.

We saw that Christopher Buckley holds a set of implicit, fuzzy principles defining some kind of elitist status conferred by a style of writing and speaking and a kind of intelligence and the anointing by attending the 'right' schools that makes on the 'right' kind of person. That fuzzy fashion for choosing a presidential candidate is similar to making religion the litmus test. In both cases, instead of using the proper kind of reasoning - the kind where one applies the principles of ethics, politics and economics to the candidates, there is instead, a kind of fuzzy rationalizing that only makes sense if you can divine the underlying principles at work. It is like people choosing a candidate because the candidate is female, or black or because the candidate is not the female or the black - and then rationalizing out loud with some other fuzzy non sequitors that resemble political principles in a vague way.

One can use political principles to explain the reason for choosing a candidate, but if the candidate isn't running on the best set of political principles, there is still an element of divorcing reason from the reality at hand.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 2:05pmSanction this postReply
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Well put, Steve.

I agree that religion was never the salient point. That it's about the divorce of reason from reality. However, we may be at odds over the level of intention of these otherwise-genius people who stand behind religion and talk-down to you even when their words are so carefully chosen that you cannot find them guilty -- except when taken as a whole.

I tend to demonize folks like Buckley (under the assumption that they're so incredibly evil that they, in fact, deserve demonization). You seem to look at their "errors" with either a mitigated pity or a begrudging tolerance. Just let me know if that's inaccurate.

If I were stranded on an island with Buckley -- I think I'd "off him" before going to sleep even for one night (as I would do to Ellsworth Toohey). It's real tricky dealing with or talking about folks whom you've concluded to be your mortal enemy. It's like even objectivity is at stake (and that's a danger to us all).

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 2:31pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,
I think you should get back on your meds.

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 2:36pmSanction this postReply
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Speaking of killing another human before you, yourself, fall asleep and become helpless should they ambush you ...

I just watched the movie: The Edge, where Alec Baldwin played a capitalist-hating artist (a photographer) ... sometimes fiction imitates reality, huh? ... where he played a capitalist-hating artist planning to kill an achieved millionaire in order to take his money and his wife. The photographer and the millionaire get stranded in the woods, and every second it's got you thinking that the photographer will go for the kill. 

=========SPOILER ALERT=============

Anthony Hopkins, playing the moral millionaire ... I like that phrase ... suspects the photographer (Baldwin) from the get-go, but doesn't do what I just said I would do -- he doesn't take photographer out. Instead, the plot culminates to the point where the photographer loads a gun and tells the millionaire to go outside (where it would be easier to dispense with his dead body). The millionaire had a million chances to stop this guy, but never did. Even after a botched attempt at murder, the millionaire tries to save his would-be killer from a bleeding wound.

I'm torn about the morality of that. I want to cite a moral principle and be just be done with it and mentally move past it. Yet all I can do is relay how I would feel and what I would do -- should someone make it so crystal clear to me that I'm "expendable" to them.

What reasons might there be for acting differently (for saving your would-be killer's life)?

The reason in the movie seems to be that the millionaire valued the abstraction: "humanity" -- and believed in nurturing the potential humanity of his would-be killer. As a humanist, I agree that humans are "carriers of unprecedented potentiality" but there's got to be a point where you have got to just say to yourself: "F$@# his natural potential as a wellspring of value! He's got to go, and he's got to go now."

Would anyone reading this act that way, too? Would it be for the same reason?

Ed

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 8:04pmSanction this postReply
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Ed,

I personally feel it all depends upon one's ability (perhaps one's sense of one's ability) to control the situation. There is worth in Hopkin's millionaire's view. Nevertheless, it does come down to personal safety. Hopkins can exercise his preference, but must constantly re-evaluate his own actions based upon the situation - will Baldwin respect him or attack him again. It is a judgement call.

jt

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Sunday, October 12, 2008 - 10:54pmSanction this postReply
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Here's Buckley giving concluding remarks in support of Intelligent Design over Evolution:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ssq2jUCtLg&feature=related

His key points:

(1) the notion of creation has not been invalidated by whatever loyalty is shown to evolution
(2) we use Intelligent Design to suggest that the miracles of which we are familiar are most probably miracles that didn't happen simply by chance
(3) I think we all have reason to celebrate the repudiation of materialist explanations that has been so studiously observed by our eloquent adversaries

Or, more plainly:
(1) they can't prove the negative that God doesn't exist or didn't create existence ex nihilo
(2) we're familiar with miracles, and miracles aren't things that happen by chance (i.e., causelessly) -- and evolution, if it means anything, means chance (i.e., uncaused events); so our "miracle-familiarity" disproves their "evolution"
(3) we proved that materialism couldn't explain our familiar miracles

Ed


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Monday, October 13, 2008 - 1:19pmSanction this postReply
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The altruist-collectivist hawk, William Kristol, was on NPR today talking about his recent NYT op-ed piece about getting McCain to fire his campaign (because it isn't working). He used that new, "meant-to-confuse" anti-concept: Democratic Capitalism.

He said that McCain should stop proposing policies. That no one knows which policies would work anyway. That it's the character of the president, not the policies he backs, which is most important.

If you buy that crap then you'll believe that there are good personalities and bad personalities to elect to the highest office in the land -- but that there aren't good policies and bad policies. Notice the shell-game there.

If we can't judge candidates by their policies -- because no one knows which ones are good -- we have to pick presidents by which ones make us feel most comfortable -- i.e., politicals should be about our "mob" feelings. What kind of a pundit or potential leader tells you that sort of thing?

What kind of a pundit tells you not to judge policies -- because nobody knows which ones are right, anyhow? What does that do to our ability to hold semi-dictatorial thugs accountable? Answer: It kills it. After all, you can't blame semi-dictatorial thugs for screwing things up -- because there's no way to tell if one policy would have been better.

We just have to go with the "right man."

That kind of thinking, or, I should say: philosophical slight-of-hand, should remind readers of a book published five years ago by another altruist-collectivist hawk, David Frum: The Right Man: The Surprise Presidency of George W. Bush. A rationally self-interested individualist would choose a different kind of title, something like:

"The Right Policies: The Surprise Discovery of the Objective Value of Reason, Freedom, Individualism and undemocratic Capitalism"

But don't expect anything like that anytime soon -- from the altruist-collectivists hawks identified here.

Ed


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Friday, October 22 - 4:05pmSanction this postReply
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"Speaking of killing another human before you, yourself, fall asleep and become helpless should they ambush you ...

I just watched the movie: The Edge, where Alec Baldwin played a capitalist-hating artist (a photographer) ... sometimes fiction imitates reality, huh?"

Oh, my...I was just revisiting an old thread, minding my own business, and happen to come across that, on today, of all days...synchronicity?
Oh, my.

Alec Baldwin shooting victim was wife of Latham & Watkins lawyer



https://www.reuters.com/legal/legalindustry/alec-baldwin-shooting-victim-was-wife-latham-watkins-lawyer-2021-10-22/

 

(Edited by Joe Maurone on 10/22, 4:10pm)



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