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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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Jenna,

I really enjoyed this pro-life gush. Also, I am not familiar with the work of Eggers. I did some googling and he sounds like an extremely interesting author with an important pro-life message. I am not so sure about his style for the kinds of work I like, but apparently it does not get in the way and even resonates with enough people for the guy to be a best-seller.

Good to see you writing and writing well.

Michael


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 12:04pmSanction this postReply
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Ditto that, Jenna. Those were great points, greatly written. I just love things like this ...

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Oh, why curl up, why shut off, when one can leap and think and do and laugh?
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What a captivating, inspiring sense of life this displays!

Thanks for that uplifting essay,

Ed


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 2:27pmSanction this postReply
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Jenna,

I don't like this one, and I don't think your article should be under the category "The Good Life". I don't think it is just to attack these people. The fault lays in the hands of the failure of good men to take leadership and teach these people on how to live.

You are talking about "The Good Life" though. I simply imagined "The Good Life" was only for more constructive articles that proposed solutions instead of whining.

Yuck. ; ) Write yourself something better, I know you can!
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on 3/14, 2:31pm)


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 2:43pmSanction this postReply
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A quicke example of a "The Good Life" article:

I love to play Ultimate Frisbee. I get out onto the field, I strive to play better than I've ever played before, improving my muscular strength, hand eye coordination, physics predictions, human predictions, and health. I live through playing Ultimate Frisbee, and myself, and the people that experience my game are left with a feeling of awe.

They see me live my life to my best game, they see what great things I do. And I tell them they can do the same, that they can learn how Reality works, that they can choose their own goals, and that they can achieve them. And when they do something I like, I tell them I appreciate it with sincerity. I bring extra water, and I sell it at a price that both I and they benefit.

Playing Ultimate Frisbee can be a great way to perform activism and live "The Good Life".
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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 2:59pmSanction this postReply
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In my example, you can see I described a way that I or someone performs life sustaining action. Yuck, I'm using logic to explain what the "The Good Life" articles are, and I'm no fun! : ) But that's all I expect-- and look forward to when I sit down to read a "The Good Life" article. : )

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 3:44pmSanction this postReply
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Jenna,

I liked your article. Thanks for writing it!

Ethan


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 4:19pmSanction this postReply
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Mistake: wrong thread.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores
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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 4:58pmSanction this postReply
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To the good life Jenna!  Thanks for this article.


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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I definitely don't like everything from the Eggers' quote - eg. you can't criticize a contractor unless you could build a house yourself, you can't think a doctor is a quack unless you've got your own medical license, and any other appeal-to-authority conclusions analogous to his. However, other than that I like the eager and somewhat defiant spirit of your article.


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:19pmSanction this postReply
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Ditto on what Aaron said.

I've noticed a 'guild socialism' in science and academia that is violently defensive to radical ideas. Anything that shakes the foundation -- is stomped out with militant zeal. My specialty is nutrition science -- perhaps one of the most fraught (of all the sciences) with reactionary hubris to anything that clashes with the status quo.

It's as if these professionals don't understand that progress itself -- is, always & everywhere, a clashing with status quo. Professionals often lack common sense, which is likely the fault of Hume -- by way of Kant.

Ed


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:28pmSanction this postReply
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And I tell them they can do the same, that they can learn how Reality works, that they can choose their own goals, and that they can achieve them. And when they do something I like, I tell them I appreciate it with sincerity. I bring extra water, and I sell it at a price that both I and they benefit.


Dean: I agree! Those are totally valid ways of getting a message across. However communication is a two way street, and I think there is responsibility of the communicator as well as the reader/listener to try to think about what is written and meet in the middle-- a trading of ideas proactively. In this piece, I was going for the view on life that I hold when I'm faced with the moment when the reader/listener takes *no* responsibility and instead choses a destructive path. I wrote this to uplift myself, as well as hoping to uplift others in any way I can think of.

This is also a learning experience for me. To get published is to get critiqued. Writing is a process, I'm finding, in that certain styles of writing attracts certain people. A short and simple piece attracts different people than a long, involved, complex piece. Also, I find that words, even in sentences or paragraphs, can mean different things to different people.

Clarity is a continuous goal of mine. However, as a beginning writer, I'm still figuring out how to write something that is engaging, clear, deep, and impactful that can be understood, in a certain manner, by a majority of readers. For all the professional writers out there-- is this possible?

This was a short one for me, and more gushy than I am usually. But if it lifted anyone at all, I think it was worth it.

Thank you all for the feedback! I really, really appreciate it. :)


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 6:46pmSanction this postReply
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I've noticed a 'guild socialism' in science and academia that is violently defensive to radical ideas. Anything that shakes the foundation -- is stomped out with militant zeal.


Actually, when I wrote this article, I was thinking of the evolution-creationism "debate"... knowing that my field was most likely going to be a target next. And guess what? It may be. However, as for "guild socialism" in science, how is that relevant to fighting religionists who want to distort science? That is what I meant by "don't critique a book till you have written one"-- if this means that anyone can war with expertise, then the underlying sentiment is that no one is an expert, which means anyone can say anything about anything. Total subjectivist world there. I'm fighting that, fighting for the science that arose out of the Renaissance & Enlightenment and bloomed into what we have today.

The field of cognitive neuroscience, coupled with complexity science, is pretty radical in itself. And that's the whole thing-- my field deals with the brain/mind. What about the non-neuroscientist who comes along to critique me about my field by stating that there is a soul and that I have no right to do my work?

If you mean the foundation of the scientific method, of course I would be fighting about that. No way do I want anyone to tell me that science sucks (or I suck) because they can't deal with the reality that science has brought us this far. Like anyone who takes pride in their field, who really wants someone else-- not in the field-- to *attack* you on your field?

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 7:12pmSanction this postReply
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I don't think you will convince anyone to change when you start off by calling them "fuckers".

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 8:25pmSanction this postReply
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Jenna, good points about the contradictory Creationists.

I offer a different perspective, because I have had to react to different stressors. I agree with you that Creationists are in the wrong, but it's not because they aren't professionals (many of them hold PhD's in the sciences), that is what Aaron called an appeal to authority -- it's because they have failed to discharge their moral obligation to think straight.

If you peruse my contributions here, you will find that thinking straight (for even professionals in fields) is not as prevalent a habit as is usually surmised. For a straight thinker, the issue of creationism attempting to masquerade itself as science -- is as simple as this ( www.bartleby.com ) ...

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scientific method
 
NOUN:The principles and empirical processes of discovery and demonstration considered characteristic of or necessary for scientific investigation, generally involving the observation of phenomena, the formulation of a hypothesis concerning the phenomena, experimentation to demonstrate the truth or falseness of the hypothesis, and a conclusion that validates or modifies the hypothesis.

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[Key words: empirical, discovery, demonstration, experimention]

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creation science
 
NOUN:1. The effort to provide scientific evidence supporting the account of the creation of the universe related in the Bible.





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[Key omissions: empirical, discovery, demonstration, experimention]

And for straight thinkers (noncontradictory integrators) -- that settles that. Creationism is antithetical to science. Attempts to combine the 2 provide a clear example of the use of an anti-concept for primitive, irresponsible gain.

Ed


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 8:26pmSanction this postReply
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To change is to choose to change. Once they've made their choice, my message isn't to them anymore. The obscenity was a rhetorical challenge. I say "F*** them", meaning the ones who have chosen to shut off their brains, in the way that I mean to keep doing what I do, regardless.

In any case, I found out something else that's hitting me pretty hard right now that I'll have to fight. I was in a fundamentalist Christian cult when I was 19 for 9 months. I left, they went downhill, and now they're back in the city I live in to re-implement the rot. I've decided not to split hairs over words here or any other like-minded forum anymore. There's something bigger I have to fight. These cultists-- the same leaders that started the cult (Kip and Elena Mckean)-- are trying to erase and rewrite history-- and I won't allow that. They refuse to bear responsibility for their actions and they want to pretend that they didn't do it (Reveal). I refuse to let them treat my experience-- the experience they were responsible for-- as irrelevant. I'm calling them to task.

I have a lot of thinking and writing to do. On top of that, I'm more aware now of how neuroscience is going to do with regards to creationists. I am fighting to get into grad school, I am fighting ADD, I am fighting a cult re-gaining its foothold, and I may end up fighting for my field. So please understand from now on if I refuse to engage in detailed discussions on words, meanings, philosophy, etc. here, I'm fighting some things that can destroy minds. Sorry if this post sounds rather odd. But everyone picks their battles. I'm either stupid or crazy enough to go for the huge battles.

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Btw, I'm not going to physically die from taking on this cult. I'm not going to die in any other way either. I'm not self-sacrificing. I'm seeing that I can do something that's of value to me, and I'm a-gonna do it!

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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 9:52pmSanction this postReply
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Jenna,

You are correct when you say, "To get published is to get critiqued." This can be an unpleasant experience for a novice at times. In one of my first articles where I completely bared my soul, the message of my article was the strength of the human spirit in overcoming adversity. It was from an Objectivist slant and I wrote about some personal hardships I had lived through and how my spirit - my sense of life - stayed strong despite them.

One of the first comments I received (I think is was the second or third) was something to the effect of: "Michael, you are not a victim."

At first I didn't understand. I thought, "Did that person read my piece correctly? I wrote about triumph." I started asking myself, "How can you have triumph if you don't have something bad to overcome?" Then I tried to ignore that comment, since many other people were complimenting me. Still, that thing needled me.

When it finally dawned on me that this person was someone with a nasty disposition and that the remark was actually intended to belittle my article, this hurt a bit. As I reflected on it, I started looking up the person (a she). The more I learned about her, the less I liked her. I learned that she is an embittered soul who attacks other a lot and is a fairly low achiever - not someone who would last long in my orbit.

Then, gradually that emotion of being perplexed, which had become hurt, became embarrassment - embarrassment for her. (It never did become contempt.) This is the kind of sentiment you feel when you see a mediocre comedian tell one bad joke after another - the kind of embarrassment resulting from seeing one of your species want attention so much that they appeal to the worst inside themselves and put it on public display. They try to show their superiority to the world, but only show the smallness of their own soul. (Nowadays, I think about this person very little, mostly not at all. From a vast distance, I sincerely hope my critic finds some happiness someday. But then, I feel that for all people everywhere.)

The point is that when you show the world what's inside you, you show what's inside you to people who are capable of making that kind of mean-spirited statement, too. Being a beginner, this could blow your high so much you lose your enthusiasm to write. Don't let it. Too many people you respect (and I know you respect them, being who you are) have spoken well about your work - not just young guys more interested in the young girl than in the writing.

Using your own words, being critiqued is a two way street. Ayn Rand said "Judge and prepare to be judged." That goes both ways. "Be judged, and then judge." When you receive criticism (especially negative, but this holds for positive too), it is a good idea to look at the credentials of the person making the comment and try to input this information into that part of your soul that hurts and jumps for joy with feedback from others. (We all have that part, Rand heroes notwithstanding. Rand herself sure had it - the hostile reception of Atlas Shrugged sent her into a two year funk.)

Over time, that part of you learns to filter what people say.

I am one who gets the whole range, from high praise to childish and obscene insults. I notice that many of those who praise me are high achievers in life (especially in the field of writing and philosophy, but in other fields too), so I just don't pay much attention to the others. When somebody I respect criticizes me negatively, though, my ears pick up. I put my feelings on hold and I try to learn from them. The secret is to judge those who judge you - judge them rationally according to their own merits and judge their motives. That goes a long way in keeping the inner writing flame alive.

So you keep writing, Jenna. You have a lot to say and there is a wide, wide world of good people hungry for messages like what you write - and write well.

Michael


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Tuesday, March 14, 2006 - 10:26pmSanction this postReply
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Jenna, if you're going to go into battle (with misanthropic cultists), go in armed to the tilt ...

1)
http://www.skepdic.com/creation.html

2)
http://www.clarku.edu/~piltdown/map_intro/creationscience.html

3)
http://www.talkorigins.org/origins/faqs-creationists.html

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http://home.neo.rr.com/johnbgood/creation_science.htm

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http://www.atheists.org/evolution/creationscience.html

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http://www.kheper.net/evolution/creationism.htm

Ed


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Wednesday, March 15, 2006 - 2:03amSanction this postReply
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Ed & Michael: Thank you much for the advice. I will definitely take it. Today I wrote this huge long backgrounder piece, but it has *no* form nor much writing. It just helped me get used to the material again. Also it provides others a chance to get to know this cult and what they do. :) But, I want to be more active than these websites I've linked.

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I enjoyed this Jenna. Thank you.

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