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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 12:51amSanction this postReply
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Well said, Tibor.

In my New Zealand we used to have many such laws and in some cases we still do. When I was younger it was not only illegal to buy & sell liquor on Sundays but at any other time & in any place other than a state-licensed outlet. Supermarkets and grocery stores were ineligible in all cases. For the first 25 years of my life it was illegal for 99% of stores to open at the weekend. I'm not joking. Everyone used to rush around on a Friday night (late shopping was permitted) to get things done before their enforced weekend "rest".

Even grocery stores had arcane regulations. Sundays (Saturdays, too? memory fails) a bible was not permitted for sale yet you could buy a Penthouse. And, I did :-)

Of course this was all brought about by pressure groups seeking this favour and that. When the weekend trading laws, liquor laws and sundry other laws were finally repealed during New Zealand's partial freemarket rebirth in the 1980s, union leaders, church officials, & concerned citizenry of many an ilk predicted the downfall of society and the destruction thereof. Didn't happen, of course, and I'd bet none of those misguided fools would go back to the bad old, good old days.

Even now it is verboten for all but a handful of businesses to open on Christmas Day and Good Friday. Now, NZ is not a particularly religious society, not by a long shot, but these "special days" are when the "progressive" labour movement and the church form a somewhat unholy alliance to secure their disparate goals.

I can tell you, it's quite shocking to see a McDonald's unlit and lifeless during the day. It's like a minor deity has died. But twice a year that's exactly what happens here.

The best book about this silliness is Deborah Coddington's "The Transformation of New Zealand: 1984 to 1993". It's instructive for all, not just Kiwis.

Ross



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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 5:12amSanction this postReply
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When I moved to Pennsylvania from Maine I had a similar rude awakening. Whereas I was accustomed to picking up a bottle of tequila - along with any needed mixers - just across the aisle from the tortilla chips in any local grocer, once I arrived in Philadelphia I couldn't find any alcohol to save my life. I believe in some state I lived in previously, maybe NC, there was beer in the grocery but not liquor, and I can remember as a kid in Oklahoma the enormous controversy over whether bars should be able to serve "liquor by the drink" (as opposed to the entire bottle?). But nothing beats Pennsylvania drink laws.

Here, you must go to a State Wine and Spirits shop to purchase, uh, wine or spirits. But if you want beer you have to find a "beer distributor" shop. Once you do, you'll have to buy an entire case of any beers that you want. If you'd just like a six-pack or single, you have to go to a cafe or restaurant with a big cooler in the front, and *they* are authorized to sell you smaller quantities of beer from the cooler. And no alcohol may be purchased on Sundays.

Also, it is illegal to cross the 2 or 3 miles into Jersey or Delaware in an effort to circumvent these laws - even though Delaware is tax-free and beer & smokes are far cheaper over there.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 5:49amSanction this postReply
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Ash, my sweet, I've always wondered about this: how exactly does one state enforce the illegality of border jumping to purchase goods tax free?

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 6:13amSanction this postReply
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We had a similar situation here where there was a discount liquor store just across the state border. LEAs would use binoculars to watch who came out of the store and note the license plate of the car they got into so they could be stopped when they crossed the border to go home.

Haven't heard about its happening recently so maybe they've stopped.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 7:02amSanction this postReply
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Wonderful news, Tibor. I am sure that your harangues in store lines planted many seeds that grew and are growing.

It's like the story of the little bird who carries water to help put out a forest fire. It did its share against the blaze.

Michael


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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 7:58amSanction this postReply
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Ross, darling, it happens just as Rick has said. Most of the "Discount Liquor" and smoke shops are just over the bridges (for there are rivers surrounding Philadelphia) and the Staties and LEAs sit there watching for cars to cross over, shop, and return.

If you want to buy the cheap goods safely it typically involves driving further into the state, buying booty, having dinner, and then crossing back home later on. Which essentially negates the discount involved in buying the cheap goods.


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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 2:45pmSanction this postReply
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"and the Staties and LEAs sit there watching for cars to cross over, shop, and return."

Sounds like a job for the Aquada...


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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 5:49pmSanction this postReply
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Great article about one of my biggest pet-peeves.  It's the same way here in Georgia.  The crazy thing is that they allow restaurants that serve food to sell alcohol on Sundays, which just means the true drunks out there are having to go out to drink and then drive back home.  I never understood how these crazy laws were not challenged as a blatant violation of the seperation of church and state.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 6:31pmSanction this postReply
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Jody,

Alcohol laws are specifically authorized in the amendment that ended the Prohibition, so they are not, in general, open to constitutional challenge.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 6:41pmSanction this postReply
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"Sounds like a job for the Aquada..."

NICE!! That thing fucking kicks ass.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 6:50pmSanction this postReply
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Adam-
I thought alcohol laws that pertained to the commerce clause, i.e. importation laws, were granted by the amendment, not the legislating of Southern Baptist morality.

(Edited by Jody Allen Gomez on 8/21, 6:51pm)


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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 7:01pmSanction this postReply
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Jody,

The "in violation of the laws thereof, is hereby prohibited" clause of the Twenty-First Amendment overrides earlier constitutional provisions such as the First and the Fourteenth Amendments. This is, fortunately, the only such override in the Amendments to date, but it is there.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 10:27pmSanction this postReply
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An interesting result of many of these laws is they pose obstacles only for those who don't travel much, just like California's Draconian cigarette taxes. This, by the way, is a feature of the free market, as well. Cheaper goods can be head when one travels a lot and can take advantage of bargains not available at home.

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Sunday, August 21, 2005 - 11:19pmSanction this postReply
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"Sounds like a job for the Aquada..."

"NICE!! That thing fucking kicks ass."

Exactly - just the beast for avoiding Police patrols while flaunting the Interstate Importation Laws.

One could even modify it to deploy smoke screens, road spikes, and oil slicks too. Ragnar Danneskjöld eat your heart out... 



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Monday, August 22, 2005 - 5:17pmSanction this postReply
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I'm missing out, by not posting on a Sunday :-)

Here in South Carolina, it is still illegal to sell anything alcoholic on Sunday (except in a few restaurants that pay heavily for a special permit, in a few cities where such restricted sales have been authorized by referendum).  Beer and wine can be sold in supermarkets, but liquor can only be purveyed only in special State-licensed stores that may not advertise or display flashy signs.  Each is allowed to put a couple of solid maroon circles on the side of the building (these are the emblem of the state Alcoholic Beverage Commission).

It took the passage of a constitutional amendment last year before the legislature could eliminate the requirement (which suited absolutely no one but a handful of liquor wholesalers) that bars and restaurants use "minibottles" for all mixed drinks.  (Outside of South Carolina, I doubt anyone ever sees a minibottle except on an airplane.)  The legislation to repeal that requirement hasn't gone into effect yet.

South Carolina still has some distance to go, before it catches up with Alabama...

Robert Campbell


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Monday, August 22, 2005 - 5:22pmSanction this postReply
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We have laws like that in Indiana too.  I got reminded of this yesterday when I tried picking up my annual six-pack of beer, and was so wore out from work I forgot what day it was.

---Landon


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Thursday, August 6, 2015 - 5:41amSanction this postReply
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Austin, Texas, has a local ordinance prohibiting the sale of liquor within 300 feet of a church, school, or hospital.

How far away does a location that sells alcohol need to be from a church or school?

The Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code permits city councils or county commissioners courts to adopt a local ordinance prohibiting the sale of alcoholic beverages within 300 feet of a public or private school, church and/or public hospital. ...  Cities and counties are not required to have these ordinances (the statute is merely permissive) ...   http://www.tabc.state.tx.us/faq/general.asp

 

 

1. A person may not sell nor engage in the business of selling any alcoholic beverage where the place of business of the person is located within 300 feet of a church, public school, or public hospital except as provided by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code.

2. A permit or license holder under Chapter 25, 28, 32, 69, or 74 of the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code who does not hold a food and beverage certificate may not sell or engage in the business of selling any alcoholic beverage where the place of business of the permit or license holder is located within 300 feet of a day-care center facility except as provided by the Texas Alcoholic Beverage Code.

 

https://www.austintexas.gov/sites/default/files/files/Planning/Applications_Forms/alcohol_bev_waiver.pdf

 

I often have dinner once a month on Sundays with a group of ancient coin enthusiasts. We meet at a Chinese restaurant with a Catholic church across the driveway. They cannot serve beer or wine or liquor. They do let us bring our own, and do not charge a corkage fee.  

 

It is funny if you stop to think about it. Demon rum will lure people right out of church. Well, OK... but apparently, if a restaurant serves alchoholic beverages near a school or hospital, the teachers and doctors will be over there getting sloshed. 

 

Here in Texas you cannot buy beer or wine until after 12 noon on Sunday. During the week, you cannot buy after midnight (1:00 AM Saturday night to Sunday morning). The Alcoholic Beverage Commission has a Peace Officer's Guide (here). It warns: "If permittees/licensees are operating outside the legal hours of sale and consumption, then it is likely that they are allowing or participating in other public safety violations (e.g. prostitution, trafficking of persons, narcotics offenses, intoxication offenses, assaultive offenses, sexual assaults, etc.)." You cannot buy liquor at all on Sunday, Thanksgiving, Christmas, or New Year's Day. If those days fall on a Sunday, then licensed liquor stores must also be closed the following Monday.

 

I lived in Charleston, South Carolina, in the 60s and you could only buy liquor from the state. (Red Dot stores. The crimson circle was the only advertising allowed, supposedly to show "sunup to sundown" hours of operation.) In Ohio, similarly, back then, only the state could sell liquor. Now they license contractors (see here) if they perceive a need in the neighborhood.

 

Landon Erp's comment was interesting because I learned in sociology and criminology that Indiana is the classic case of "Baptists and Bootleggers" sometimes being the same people.

 

(And, in Texas, a car dealership can only be open one of two days on the weekend, not both.)

 

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 8/06, 5:45am)



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