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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 4:38amSanction this postReply
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Andrew writes:

TOC has finally put to bed any notions about its lacking “KASS.”

I'll reserve judgement on that, since I know this Seminar didn't sport its highest-graded speaker from last year, the self-same scourge who has urged KASS upon TOC for years. :-) But I'm encouraged by the reports out thus far. Maybe TOC has indeed turned a corner ... at last!!!! I eagerly await the first Bidinotto-edited New Individualist.

Glad you had a good time, Andrew. Good to have you back where KASS is a given!! :-)

Linz

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 5:51amSanction this postReply
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Great summary Andrew! I'm missing everyone already.

Jim


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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 6:13amSanction this postReply
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Nice report, Andrew. Thanks.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 6:37amSanction this postReply
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Andrew & Jim—you seriously need to come to SOLOC 5 (details to be announced by Julia soon). There, you will not only live in a way you never imagined possible; you may die from unaccustomed stimulation. Or, like Phil, you may grow a third testicle on one of your quadriceps. What a way to go!!!! Whatever, it will leave TOC in the shade! Who, after all, seriously needs morbid monologuists??? :-)

Linz

Just kidding, Ed H ... love your work!! :-)

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 8:30amSanction this postReply
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Andrew,
I maybe nitpicking here, but why any one should be sad that "we may never live in the sort of world that we glimpse only briefly in Ayn Rand’s novels?" What sort of world you are talking about here?


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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 3:11pmSanction this postReply
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It seems most big Objectivist get-togethers happen in NY or CA.  How about one in the Southeast; Atlanta, Orlando, Tampa?

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 8:40pmSanction this postReply
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Andrew -  I sure wish I could afford to have been there too.  One more daughter to put through college, then I will be in annual attendance.  I loved the two conferences I did go to.  Thanks for the article.

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Wednesday, July 20, 2005 - 10:19pmSanction this postReply
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Andrew, thanks so much for your report on TOC-Schenectady. Nice job!

I regretted very much not being able to attend this year, after four straight years of going to the Advanced Seminar held in late June. This year, of course, it was cut down in length and folded into the regular Summer Seminar and scheduled later -- coincidentally at a time when my professional responsibilities left me absolutely no wiggle room for attending the Summer Seminar. (Rehearsals and performance for the Disneyland 50th anniversary celebration, sandwiched around a 3-day jazz festival in northern California, are the details for those who are interested.)

If the Summer Seminar is going to continue to be held in mid-July like this, it is unlikely that I will be able to take part in the future. It will be iffy, at best.

All for now,
REB


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Thursday, July 21, 2005 - 11:35pmSanction this postReply
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Thanks for the summary, Andrew!

This year's conference was particularly memorable. There was everything Andrew mentioned, plus Marsha Enright's announcement of her project to found the College of the United States. Plus Kerry O'Quinn giving a talk on his project to turn _Anthem_ into a movie. Talk about individuals with KASS!

Jim Heaps-Nelson and I had a great time discussing general relativity, with Glenn Fletcher there to mediate. Glenn of course has the advantage over us of actually being a physicist. And Glenn gave two terrific lectures on the philosophy of science. (Cole's Law indeed!) Tibor addressed the question of how free will could be compatible with modern physics, and Lyman Hazelton rounded out the philosophy of science offerings with a great lecture on chaos that was accompanied by terrific demos and slides. And I had my first chance to speak with Lyman since back in the mid-80s at MIT.

Gene Schallern was his inimitable self. Ilana Dover has just completed work on a children's book about the Wright brothers. At the sponsor's dinner I had my picture taken with Ilana so that young Jack Nevin will some day soon be able to see the lady who wrote his Wright brother book sitting next to his Uncle Bill. A book titled _Harry Potter and Philosophy_, coedited by Shawn Klein, has just hit the bookshelves and Shawn was there to autograph copies and speculate on the identity of the half-blood prince. Bill Perry gave a talk on José Ortega y Gasset to which I listened with rapt attention since I will be studying in Spain later this summer and will search for Ortega's books from Bill's recommended list.

I got to meet SOLOist Luke Morris in person. World travelers Don Parrish and David Saum related various anecdotes from their respective trips abroad, some funny, some providing insight into cultural and economic conditions in the developing world. I also met a bunch of delightful people who were attending their first conference: Ryan Hoover, Karen Kirsch, Fran Hill, and more others than I can name.

As at last year's Vancouver conference Jordan Zimmerman, his wife Rita Kan, Caroline Johnson, and I set out to explore the culinary offerings of the area with anyone else interested. We had some fascinating dinner conversations in local restaurants, including with the Enrights and Madeleine Cosman. (We missed you though, Linz.) For the free day a bunch of us went parasailing over Lake George.

After the conference, I had some magnificent duck at a French bistro called Le Canard Enchainee in Kingston, NY. It was better than any I have had in France itself and equaled that at the Warren Duck Club in Tulsa, Oklahoma. Later, Caroline gave me a guided tour of the Manhattan financial district. I got to see the famous statue of a bull that features prominently in two of my favorite recent films, _Hitch_, and _Kal Ho Naa Ho_.

All in all it was a terrific event and I missed all those who would have liked to have been there but couldn't make it.

-Bill

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 3:15amSanction this postReply
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I'm glad you guys enjoyed the conference. I would have come had I not been in Italy with family, a trip whose dates were not set by me. Feel free to send your condolences. I did miss all the people I met at the conferences the last two years. I hope you guys gossiped about me a little, just as a gesture of honor.

And could somebody please send me Caroline Johnson's current email address? Her old one is now occupied by a pervert. When I sent her an email ordering her to attend SOLOC4, some guy responded by saying -- get this -- "you must have an old email address. I'm Chris Johnson." Well, I just assume he's a pervert. What else would he be?

Alec

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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 7:57pmSanction this postReply
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Hah! Alec, your attempts to horn in on Caroline's love are transparent to me! But I'm always up for a good love-fight, check your SOLOMail.

Roger, I was sorry you were not able to make it. TOC said they had a "loud, but very vocal minority" agitating against holding the conference over the July 4 weekend, because they wanted to travel with family and such. Barsh flimshaw, I say! Bring your damn families to TOC, they'll learn more and meet better people than at Mount Rushmore or the Grand Canyon or wherever these pikers are going on trips these days.

Hong, I suppose it's a very difficult experience to describe to someone who has never attended one of these conferences, but I'll do my best. Imagine that, for a week, you are surrounded by fascinating, inspired, driven, hilarious, intelligent, sunny people, beautiful art, amazing conversation, and basically, the best that Objectivism inspires people to do and to be. It is indescribably sad to me that so few people know and understand that life can be like this ... that my eighteen-year-old coworker is perpetually sullen and dejected, that many of my friends see no beauty or heroism in human endeavors, that my classmates have such a dim view of their fellow men that they wish to bind them in the chains of interventionist government.

Of course, the "misanthrope Objectivist" position is that none of these other people matter; you create your own beautiful vistas and the rest of the world be damned. To a great extent this is true. But attending two of TOC's conferences has convinced me that the social values to be gained from others are of very great importance, and my life would be many times more joyous were Objectivism the dominant influence in our culture.


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Friday, July 22, 2005 - 10:57pmSanction this postReply
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Imagine that, for a week, you are surrounded by fascinating, inspired, driven, hilarious, intelligent, sunny people, beautiful art, amazing conversation, and basically, the best that Objectivism inspires people to do and to be.


What Andrew B says is the truth. My first TOC conference was at the U of Johnstown in 2001. The first day I was literally dumbfounded at the multitude of people interested in my life. It took me at least a day to get used to that. The fuel from that conference lasted for months.

I've met at least 10 close friends at TOC conferences who I keep in touch with regularly. And there are lots more who I expect to befriend in the future.

(Edited by Lance Moore on 7/22, 10:58pm)


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 3:15amSanction this postReply
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Interesting, Lance - that was the one I went to... and met the Tomlinsons...

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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I think many good people are leery of attending a summer conference [something like one percent of Objectivists have ever been to one] in part because of past disappointments. Because of more than one bad experience they have had with people who call themselves Objectivists over the years (not just schisms but one on one). Or because they somehow think it feels cultish. Perhaps they have many interests in life and think it might be strange or uncomfortable to be surrounded 24x7 by people with such a high degree of interest in this.

Let me say a few things about conferences and the Objectivist movement:

I don't live and breathe Objectivism 24x7. I have a very wide range of interests and like and enjoy the company of many people who have not the slightest interest in Objectivism. And I like multi-dimensional people. People who can only talk about philosophy or Objectivism (or any other one exclusive subject) bore the living piss out of me.

Yet despite this, I've been to many, many summer Objectivist conferences - starting with George Reisman and Edith Packer's Jefferson School. And time after time, I immensely enjoy them whether given by TOC or by TJS before it. Once or twice they've been among the best sunlit weeks or two weeks I've ever had.

And I certainly don't always enjoy other Objectivist events or venues, such as Objectivist clubs or Objectivist online discussion groups..which are very much a mixed bag.

The difference is the quality of the people who are attracted. The difference is that "conference people" are different from anyone who just calls himself an Objectivist and attends a campus club or participates on a website: Objectivism has been marred and too often hijacked, damaged, and undercut by people who lack maturity, social skills, and emotional self-control. [Read any thread on Solo or Atlantis or OWL and you will quickly see examples of this.]

Any loser or misanthrope or flame-thrower or critic can and will attend a campus club or join a discussion. The bar is low, as is the effort required.

But these "hijackers" or marginal people often tend to be less successful in life (due in large part to their lack of maturity and personal polish and how that plays in the marketplace). Too often armchair talkers, not doers, they often can't afford to attend summer conferences or procrastinate on planning six months ahead. And if they have only a shaky knowledge of or allegiance to Objectivism, they are not likely to be motivated to commit money, time, and effort to a conference. Plus quite often they tend not to like people or socializing that much, and would rather just sit at home surrounded by nachos and listen to a tape.

The result is that the overwhelming majority of people at summer conferences tend to be a significant cut above the "Objectivist-on-the-street". And they are in a supportive, positive, educationally stimulating atmosphere - which minimizes negatives and brings out benevolence and positive emotions.

You are not going to find Atlantis among any random group of fruitloops who profess allegiance to Objectivism. You have to make the effort and have the vision to get beyond the heat shield and climb the mountain.

To put it mildly, I tend not to have a high opinion of the "average" student of Objectivism I've met over the years: he is often attracted to Ayn Rand for the wrong reasons. He knows just enough Objectivism to be loud-mouthed, clumsy, and dangerous, but is too often malevolent, immature, and undeveloped in life.

But I think a great deal of the average -conference- Objectivist i've met over the years. Time after time they are great people who function well and healthily on this earth. If you are benevolent, why would you not expect that there are people out there who apply a good philosophy properly? And actually *live it*. And that you could find them?

It's a self-selection process and Andrew has it right: "Imagine that, for a week, you are surrounded by fascinating, inspired, driven, hilarious, intelligent, sunny people, beautiful art, amazing conversation, and basically, the best that Objectivism inspires people to do and to be. It is indescribably sad to me that so few people know and understand that life can be like this."

Phil

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 12:34pmSanction this postReply
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Phil

Very well said.

I attended at Schenectaday two weeks ago -- my first such venture (tho' interested in Objectivism since 1962) and found it to be 5-10 times better than expected for just the reasons mentioned by you and Andrew.

Now it will become a regular part of my life.

Thanks for your post

Steve


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 2:54pmSanction this postReply
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Andrew,

Thank you for a wonderful summary of one of the best weeks I can remember.  Your thoughts about the seminar echo my own - it was more intellectually enjoyable and exciting than I thought a conference could be.  The lectures were great, and the people even better.  I don't know that I have ever been in such a benevolent atmosphere.  Every aspect of the week inspired me and made me glad to be alive, as well as bringing to the forefront of my mind the endless possibilities life has to offer.

I will definitely make this a regular tradition.

Now, how about an Objectivist conference in the Midwest - say, Chicago?


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 5:29pmSanction this postReply
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Interesting, Lance - that was the one I went to... and met the Tomlinsons...

Hey Robert, did you go to Charles Tomlinson's talk on raising a family? U Pitt at Johnstown was a nice venue because it was away from all the hubbub. Vancouver was that way as well.





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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 5:50pmSanction this postReply
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No - believe there was another art forum at that time - did chat with him many of the evenings after dinner, tho... in case you be wondering which I was, was the one toting those pen/ink works around, trying to get a showing...[hah hah]... all in all, was a fun time... if not so limited in funds, would have made the annual ones afterwards, but no - not yet... maybe next year...

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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 8:30pmSanction this postReply
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Andrew and Phil,
Thanks for addressing my question. I sort of guessed what you meant but was confused by Andrew's reference to the world in Rand's novels. As we know that from Anthem, We the living, to Atlas Shrugged, the world as described in all these books are pretty grim.


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Saturday, July 23, 2005 - 9:29pmSanction this postReply
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Phil,

I echo your assessment of the average conference goer and I had to be convinced by my brother to go to my first IOS/TOC Conference in 1994. Outside a tight group of wonderful friends at College  (I not only had Objectivism in common with them but some pretty heady exciting science/engineering coursework as well.), I was somewhat disappointed with many Objectivists. Our club at school had to stop advertising our meetings because we'd get the wackos.

I have, however, had good experiences with Silicon Valley Objectivists when I was there and FROG when I was in Colorado. I think adult discussion groups tend to be far superior to campus clubs in general.

The IOS/TOC Conferences (I've now been to 7 ) have been a wonderful experience. They've evolved over time. The first one in 1994 had a huge mandatory reading list and really facilitated my development as an Objectivist. The conferences have evolved away from that toward offering several solid  and a couple pathbreaking lectures with little upfront preparation needed. I'll echo the comments that the conferences are like living in a different universe.

Jim


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