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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 5:44amSanction this postReply
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Gee, guys, and here I thought all along that philosophy was not a martial art, a sword or shield for offense and defense; I thought it was a road map to understanding. Silly me.

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 5:59amSanction this postReply
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Ahem...

Uh... Robert,

I hope you aren't saying that if you encounter the thugs of a military dictatorship, a Communist government, fanatic Islamic terrorists and other dirty rotten dudes out their with their won brutal ways of doing stuff, you intend to fight their guns and bombs with a roadmap.

(A metaphor only works in a context.)

//;-)

Michael


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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 6:54amSanction this postReply
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RB

Thank you.  I was beginning to drown in the syrup.


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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 6:59amSanction this postReply
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Just be glad you ain't been there, Robert. Syrup ain't nothing compared to that.

Michael


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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 7:57amSanction this postReply
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Indeed, context is everything, Michael.  But in daily life, I would hope that the context is not always an embattled one, and that philosophy provides guidance for positive value-choices and pursuits. Conflict shouldn't be the main focus or element of one's life. If it is, one needs to find a better environment -- or perhaps a better attitude and focus.

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 8:02amSanction this postReply
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Robert, of course we agree. Just bantering about metaphor-bashing.

btw - You like pancakes?

Michael


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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 8:25amSanction this postReply
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Love pancakes. Love Krispy Kremes even more. But that has nothing to do with "Religious Addiction," only sugar addiction. Alas.

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 11:17amSanction this postReply
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Great thread. You're all a little weird, but I love you anyway. Just stay on your medication!
The Rand article on the Serenity Prayer is one of my favorites. I have attended many al-anon meetings, and they have been very helpful. Sergio and I plan to attend some together. He will be continuing his NA meetings,of course, also.

Michael, Roger, et. al.- your comments on 12-step and the connection to "The Disowned Self" of NB make me think that a Solo 12-Step Club would be very interesting, indeed. Objectivism and 12-step are two great movements of the second half of the 20th century, and they have much to learn from each other. I'll bring the Krispy Kremes.

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:05pmSanction this postReply
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Krispy Kremes?

Ohh nooooooooooo!!!

Ain't you guys ever read Sugar Blues by William Dufty? I have a small personal story here.

When I first started going to NA meetings, there were some old timers who babbled on about the harm of sugar, sugar addiction and whatnot. That used to piss me off to no end because I didn't think I had ended up there for over-dosing on sugar. I had problems that were a little more serious than that.

These old timers (some actually quite young in age, and none really old) always talked about Sugar Blues by William Dufty. I would tune them out. Hmmmph. Fucking idiots.

After I had been clean for about a year-and-a-half, I started noticing some changes in my body from the detox process. One was over-sensitivity to any drug I took, even aspirin (it would make me woozy). I avoided all drugs like the plague anyway. I preferred the headaches.

Then I started noticing that when I ate chocolate candy or drank soft-drinks, I got really tired. Dog tired. Beat. I didn't care much for chocolate because it gave me cravings - I would go on a chocolate binge, but hell, chocolate wasn't a drug, right?

Being curious, I got a copy of Sugar Blues and read it. It convinced me of the evils of white processed cane or beet sugar (sucrose) on first read. I had never read a foodstuff book written from an historical and economic perspective like that. Despite the anti-sucrose message, it was one hell of a good read.

I became one of the old timer assholes myself - the type who reads the ingredients labels on all the foods in the supermarket and embarrasses everybody by flatly refusing things with white sugar in them. (Did you know that that crap is in everything, even mustard and stuff like that?)

When I stopped using white sugar, guess what? I went through a week of light discomfort (compared to drugs and alcohol). I recognized the feeling. I went through detox!

White processed sugar (sucrose) is a food and addictive drug crossover! Dayaamm!

One of the greatest hoaxes ever perpetrated on mankind is to lump dextrose, maltose, fructose and a whole bunch of other "oses" under the common name "sugar" as if they were the same thing. They are not, despite glucose, which is necessary for living, being the final result. Eating or drinking sucrose is like mainlining, except the way it is processed throws vital functions out of whack - and it robs the body of calcium, vitamin B12 and a host of other important elements in order to be processed at all.

Now I am not as strict on things like mustard as I was back then, but if there is an option, I will always choose the no-sugar variety. I also avoid that "high fructose corn syrup" crap too.

Believe it or not, that was a decision, within its own context of me being clean of hard drugs, almost as important as giving up the drugs to my present quality of life. My energy went way up, I completely lost an incipient high blood pressure (now it stays a bit low despite the coffee drinking and salt that I like), and whenever I go on my body cleanup routines of losing weight, getting more exercise, etc., my reaction time for positive results is extremely fast.

btw - I love honey. I sometimes make a wonderful fudge with unsweetened cocoa and honey (which tastes great to everybody and doesn't give you pimples either). I haven't made good friends with stevia, for some reason. I also don't mind the chemical sweeteners - although I try to avoid aspartame.

So y'all keep your damn Krispy Kremes. I ain't a junkie anymore. Y'all are.

Michael


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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:23pmSanction this postReply
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Oh yes chocolate is a drug - see Andrew Weil, CHOCOLATE TO MORPHINE.

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 12:33pmSanction this postReply
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Shaddup, Robert M!!!

Chocolate ain't a drug. Chocolate ain't a drug. Chocolate ain't a drug. Chocolate ain't a drug. Chocolate ain't a drug. Chocolate ain't a drug. Chocolate ain't a druuuuuuuug!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

//;-)

Michael


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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 1:03pmSanction this postReply
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*leaves to stash chocolate in case of a raid*

Sarah

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 1:22pmSanction this postReply
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Damn! Well there goes my Belgian connection.... :(

Pianoman

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Friday, July 8, 2005 - 4:46pmSanction this postReply
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I'm fucked.

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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 12:03amSanction this postReply
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James Kilbourne wrote: "Michael, Roger, et. al.- your comments on 12-step and the connection to "The Disowned Self" of NB make me think that a Solo 12-Step Club would be very interesting, indeed. Objectivism and 12-step are two great movements of the second half of the 20th century, and they have much to learn from each other. I'll bring the Krispy Kremes."

In the South, where I lived for 14 years during the 70s and 80s, KK was even more fearsome than the KKK. One day, while on a local tv gig where free donuts were provided to the band and studio audience, I ate (after the show) a whole box of (i.e., a dozen) Krispy Kreme donuts. Needless to say, I was practically in a diabetic coma for the next hour or so. Gak.

But I've come a long way, baby. Last week was my 57th birthday, and I brought two dozen KK's to my fellow Disneyland Band members. I had one and was more than satisfied. (Actually, I had a fresh one, a "free sample," at the KK place; it was hot and fresh from the donut assembly line, and it was sooooooo good. :-)  And it put not the slightest perceptible dent in my weight management program. I have lost 25 pounds since March, and have another 25 to go. Woohoo!

Kathy/katdaddy wrote: "I'm fucked."

Please, Kathy, we're talking about food addiction here!  Donut holes, anyone? :-)

Best to all,
REB

 




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Saturday, July 9, 2005 - 12:44amSanction this postReply
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Sorry y'all - NOTHING beats a Dunkin Donut ol fashion, fresh from the fryer...
[I know, because I used to make them...:-)]


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