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Post 20

Thursday, April 7, 2005 - 2:58pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, you wrote,
"A publisher will sell his soul if he can sell more paper. ALL publishers."
I was a publisher for 17 years. I still own my own soul, thank you.:-)


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Post 21

Thursday, April 7, 2005 - 4:48pmSanction this postReply
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Hey Bob!

Are YOU where all that damn cigar smoke is coming from?

//;-)

Michael


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Friday, April 8, 2005 - 6:33amSanction this postReply
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Yeah, I think it's him. I was mistaken before when I thought books were burning. We don't do that here. Linz doesn't tolerate such behavior.

Please put out that damned cigar it stinks to hell and we don't want the books to catch fire.


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Friday, April 8, 2005 - 8:49amSanction this postReply
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Thomas,

Thanks for taking the time to post this.

Personally, I found the Marginalia interesting, if not earth-shaking, as background for some of the things Rand had to say about various subjects in her already published writings.

I got a real chuckle from your "dead body" analogy.  What an image!  But I'm not sure it really works.  Maybe half way.  Even the most absent editor does make choices about what to include, what to line edit, and so "pulls some strings". But, of course, the original work is the author's, not the editors. And, if the editors are careful, the results can throw some light on the choices that the author makes.

As an example not related to Rand, I enjoyed immensely reading through Dostoyevsky's notebooks for "Crime and Punishment".  As an aspiring writer at the time, I found them educational as well.  What a thrill to see the choices made to produce that masterpiece.

In the case of Rand's Journals, I got the same thrill. In fact a large part of the editing process here was the choice to include mostly this kind of material -- the excerpts that show how Rand's early formulations of character, plot and background got included or excluded in the final masterpiece. It gave this reader, at least, a wonderful sense of Rand's method of mental functioning.  I could say the same for the Letters.

In fact, one of the things  that is most remarkable to me about the edited volumes is how much Rand comes off as "of a piece."   Far from distracting or disturbing the image she created, they serve as a re-enforcement, as least for this reader, of a woman I had the pleasure of seeing and hearing often in New York in the 60's.  Third party exegesis, on   the other hand, while it can be useful, IS, it seems to me, exactly the pulling of strings to make someone say what you want them to say for the purposes of your agenda (not that there's anything wrong with that; some of my best friends are string pullers ;-)).

Peikoff, et al, do, of course, have an agenda, but so far as I can make out, the agenda is benign and they are careful to separate their various ideas from Rand's work.  This is a very difficult line to maintain, I think, as some of the members of this forum are quick to point out, but I think that, on the whole, the line is  well-maintained.  Some of the readers of this forum might, indeed, be surprised at some of the content of the various "official"  sites, blogs, forums, and newsletters. I'm not, since I never bought a good deal of the Branden's portrait.

I'm comfortable with the idea that a good deal of this is a matter of taste, rather than a serious matter of philosophical principle.  Frank once said to me that some things have no consequences the next morning and thus are matters of taste. This appears to be one of them.

Would love to read your further thoughts on this, if you care to post.



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Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 9:21amSanction this postReply
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Dear Intellectual Enthusiasts:

Rarely have I seen so many people talk about so much that they know nothing about when they say they do. I have been reading these posts on SOLO regarding PARC in amusement for some time now. If you people making wild boasts about this book check the facts you trust in general like the way you've checked the basic facts of this book, I wouldn't trust any thing any of you say.

Some basic examples:

1. Casey Fahy is not the publisher of this book, nor does he have any connection to the publisher. For those of you not just interested in generating bad information, you can start your search by going to Durban House Publishing http://www.DurbanHouse.com. The publisher's name is John Lewis and the editor for this book was Robert Middlemiss.

2. ARI is not a sponsor or official sponsor of this book. They were sent a review copy for inclusion in their catalog and accepted. It was when they sent out the notice for the book being included that most of your members first heard about the book.

So... the first place you hear about something is the place that started it??? Bad logic my fellow beings.

I am becoming curious, I must admit. How do you people check your facts, in general? What does it take for you to believe something to be the case? Is it simply a matter of who's telling you?

Your Servant Sirs,
The Magenta Hornet



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Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 7:54pmSanction this postReply
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Magenta Hornet,

Please have the decency not to post in defense of Casey unless you or Lavender Leopard or whoever provides some evidence for the very serious accusation that was made in this article purely for the sake of hype.

Alec 


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Wednesday, April 13, 2005 - 8:52pmSanction this postReply
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Normally, I don't like to answer hornets, magenta or any other shade for that matter, but there are a few things so deceitful in this last posting that I feel I must expose the nature of this particular insect;

1) A few weeks ago, the website of Durham House listed Valliant as the publisher. He is no longer listed as such. In the uncorrected page proofs of the book, Valliant thanks Fahy for his valuable editorial help.

2) Again, in the uncorrected page proofs, Valliant has a different chronology; he states that after being shown his earlier version, Peikoff agreed to allow Valliant to see Rand's journals about the Brandens and to use for his book whatever material from them that he wished to use.

Now who, exactly, is having trouble with the truth here? It is my belief that since Peikoff has let Valliant cherry-pick from Rand's journals to make his points, that any sense of fair play would lead him to release ALL her notes on the Brandens from that time period so a fair assessment of her thinking could be made by everyone. I won't hold my breath awaiting their release.

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Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 6:18amSanction this postReply
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Mr. Kilbourne,

I have urged the Estate of Ayn Rand to make all of these notes, the vast bulk of which are reproduced in my book, available to all scholars. Until then, your assertion about "cherry picking" is a bona fide arbitrary assertion. Your source for this assertion is wrong and cannot have the facts to back this up. (You see, I know otherwise.) And the motive for your source's lie could not be more painfully obvious.

Mr. Mouhibian,

Literary metaphor. It is useful. Agreed, it can sometimes be misleading or an overstatement. It can make a point, though. (See above.) Do you hold the Brandens to the same standard as you do Casey?
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Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 6:55amSanction this postReply
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James,

I applaud your courage at coming into this hornets nest.  I await the arrival of your book with much anticipation.

Tom Rowland

(Edited by Takeyes Fornanswer on 4/14, 6:56am)


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Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 8:27amSanction this postReply
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James,

You wrote:
I have urged the Estate of Ayn Rand to make all of these notes, the vast bilk of which...
ahem... don't you mean bulk? People like to make insinuations about SOLO, but as far as I can tell, this is not a Freud site...

Apparently there is no problem with hornets either, just a slight prejudice against magenta...

There is a vast preference around here for black and white.

Michael



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Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 8:34amSanction this postReply
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Michael:

...just a slight prejudice against magenta...There is a vast preference around here for black and white.


Ouch.

That one line is sanction-worthy.

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Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 1:00pmSanction this postReply
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James V.,

I didn't know that a nasty accusation lacking any evidence was permissible so long as it's conveyed in a "literary metaphor" that has a useful point -- namely, its nasty accusation. The literal accusation here is that there is an "ugly" effort by the Brandens to silence your book. I recommend you either back it up or repudiate it.

That's all I can say on the matter, as I am reviewing your book and don't want this preliminary shenanigans to affect my judgment.

Alec  


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Thursday, April 14, 2005 - 1:18pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Mouhibian,

You're a real rock on this one, aren't you? Literally, a rock, man.


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Friday, April 15, 2005 - 9:23amSanction this postReply
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I'm friendly with the Brandens, but I didn't know I was part of a cult. Therefore--right now! I'm making huge paper-machie images of them for a shrine in my backyard!

Btw, no moral person will buy or read the PARC book--not if you want to worship at my shrine! I personally plan to order the book from Amazon then claim it was lost in the mail (and get a refund--don't worry about Amazon; it is immoral for Amazon to carry it so Bezos will deserve to get ripped off!). I'll then have my 90 year-old mother read it and tell me it's no good. She is qualified to do this because of her Phd in English literature and she'd laugh at me if I were to tell her it'd be immoral for her to read it. Rant, rant. (Did you notice that without the "B" Brant is Rant? [Or drop the "t" for "d" in "Rand" and you get Rant! That's right, Ayn Rand was only one letter from being world-famous Ayn Rant!]) Of course, if we are to believe some then the Brandens would be known as the Brantens! And I'd have to explain how I got involved with all this.

--Brant









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Friday, April 15, 2005 - 11:29amSanction this postReply
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Brant (or are you now a "Brantroid"?),

Surely you jest. 

Or do I smell smoke again.

Tom

(Edited by Takeyes Fornanswer on 4/15, 11:43am)


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Friday, April 15, 2005 - 12:14pmSanction this postReply
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Brant,

Tom is right. I repudiate you as a Brantroid.

--Robot Bidinotto

;^)

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Friday, April 15, 2005 - 1:10pmSanction this postReply
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Good Gaede!

Brandt,

You can't chant your grand stand as the best Rand brand.

They'll say you're a Kant

And that doesn't rhyme with Brandt.

Michael
President of the Don't Abandon a Branden Committee


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