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Post 20

Thursday, March 31, 2005 - 9:38pmSanction this postReply
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Excellent post, Jennifer. Two thumbs up and a tip of the hat from Texas.

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 3:13amSanction this postReply
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I keep trying, apparently without success, to demonstrate that Objectivism is repellent to women because Objectivism is logical & women ain't. Why, the silly creatures can't even spell "repellent." They're all hormones & eggs & clucking. Until science finds a means of dispensing with them alogether in the procreation process, a few should be kept in captivity for breeding purposes. The rest should be drowned.

Of course, it will be protested that Ayn Rand was a woman. But of course, that's not true. He was a man. Proudly.

Linz
(Edited by Lindsay Perigo
on 4/01, 3:15am)


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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 4:07amSanction this postReply
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"We are supposed to be emotionally-driven, child-hungry people"
You evil, child-eating monsters!

Sorry Jennifer - just reverting to type...


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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 7:04amSanction this postReply
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But Linz, didn't you realize that English is the world most irrational and illogical language in spelling?

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 7:17amSanction this postReply
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Yeah, girls, who needs 'em?

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 8:11amSanction this postReply
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LOL. I expect Linz to break out in song - Prof. Henry Higgins from My Fair Lady: “Why can’t a women be more like a man?” However, I trust that Linz is by far a superior singer to Rex Harrison.

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 8:14amSanction this postReply
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Lance, thank you.

Jason, that is one of my favorite, favorite songs.  :)

And, uh, Queen Bee -- I make one typo out of 6 million posts and that's what you focus on? 

Cluck cluck.

(Edited by Jennifer Iannolo on 4/01, 8:15am)


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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 8:20amSanction this postReply
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100% of children across cultural differences are born dependent on someone else to take care of them. But how did morality become instinctively identified with altruism across cultural differences? I think that the false primacy of consciousness is the common foundation between these different cultures of altruistic morality. It is just about the human mind wishing that reality wasn't real and then declaring reality subjective. Later when these children become adults they have the opportunity to be a parent and find out what it's like to have dependents.
The provider still scheming quick money, failing stock performance, producing fake numbers, and redistributing someone else's wealth to the people supposedly in need.
The liberal media is repeated in daily routine with prejudice made against people who enjoy independent volitional thoughts, actions, and the good for being good, thinking as we deserve to exist. Trading one value for another.
Our exploitive & sacrificial culture surrounds us, and it evades greater responsibilities with intellectual dishonesty. But our culture also a few examples might be the disaster rescue stories where dependents are rescued by a provider, altruistic super heroes to save the day, high class thieves steal the gold, and myth making horror films ask that you doubt your mind. All serving to reinforce the dependent & provider relationship that we are had at given at the beginning of life before we could speak.
The reality evading culture of exploitation and dependency passed down from generation to generation effectively generating a meme of dependency that attempts to rub out its nemesis and threat true intellectual freedom. Some adults would rather think with dependency on other people's thoughts, than relying on their own minds for judgement.

The virtue of independent thinking. Choose life, choose volitional mental exercises to both teach, and learn something. Intellectual choice is a daily thirty-minute routine.

Intellectual dependency, dominance, and amoral sacrifice are all things that are learned during our conscious development either from our family or the culture that surrounds us, they cannot be biological because we have a choice between dominance or sacrifice or dependency or not.

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 11:03amSanction this postReply
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For this argument to make sense, one has to put a lot of faith in the theory of evolution.  Here are some quotes on the issue.

T.L. Moor, paleontologist: "The more one studies paleontology, the more certain one becomes that evolution is based on faith alone." (cited in _Origins?_, BG Ranganathan, p.22)

 

John T. Bonner: "We [evolutionists] have been telling our students for years not to accept any statement on its face value but to examine the evidence, and therefore it is rather a shock to discover that we have failed to follow our own sound advice." (cited in _The Twilight of Evolution_, Henry M. Morris, p.91)

 

Miles Eldredge, paleontologist: "We paleontologists have said that the history of life supports [gradual adaptive change], all the while really knowing that it does not." (cited in _Darwin on Trial_, Phillip Johnson, p.59)

 

Mary Leakey, paleoanthropologist: "All these trees of life with their branches of our ancestors, that's a lot of nonsense." (from an interview with Associated Press, Dec 10 1996)

 

Charles Darwin: "I am quite conscious that my speculations run quite beyond the bounds of true science." (from a letter to Asa Gray, Harvard biology professor, cited in _Charles Darwin and the Problem of Creation_, N.C. Gillespie, p.2)

 

Pierre-Paul Grasse, past President of the French Academie des Sciences, Editor of the 35-volume _Traite de Zoologie_: "Today [1977] our duty is to destroy the myth of evolution, considered as a simple, understood and explained phenomenon which keeps rapidly unfolding before us.  Biologists must be encouraged to think about the weaknesses and extrapolations that theoreticians put forward or lay down as established truths.  The deceit is sometimes unconscious, but not always, since some people, owing to their sectarianism, purposely overlook reality and refuse to acknowledge the inadequacies and falsity of their beliefs."

 

 Bounoure, past Director of Research at the National Center of Scientific Research, France: "Evolutionism is a fairy tale for grownups. This theory has helped nothing in the progress of science.  It is useless." (_Le Monde Et La Vie_, Oct 1963)

 

Art Battson, professor, University of CA - Berkley:  "We must bear in mind that just because neo-Darwinian evolution is the most plausible naturalistic explanation of origins, we should not assume that it is necessarily true.... In retrospect, it seems as though Darwinists have been less concerned with the scientific question of accurately explaining the empirical data of natural history, and more concerned with the religious or philosophical question of explaining the design found in nature without a designer.  Darwin's general theory of evolution may, in the final analysis, be little more than an unwarranted extrapolation from microevolution based more upon philosophy than fact.  The problem is that Darwinism continues to distort natural science." ("Facts, Fossils, and Philosophy", 17 May 1997)

 

G.A. Kerkut, biochemistry professor at the University of Southampton: "The philosophy of evolution is based upon assumptions that cannot be scientifically verified... Whatever evidence can be assembled for evolution is both limited and circumstantial in nature." (cited in _Biology_, Keith Graham et al, p.363)

 

Roger Lewin: "It is in fact a common fantasy, promulgated mostly by the scientific profession itself, that in the search for objective truth, data dictate conclusions.  Data are just as often molded to fit preferred conclusions." (_Bones of Contention_, p.68)

 

David Pilbeam: "I have come to believe that many statements we make about the how and whys of human evolution say as much about us, the paleoanthropologists and the larger society in which we live, as about anything that really happened." (cited in _Bones of Contention_, Roger Lewin, p.85)

 

 

W.R. Thompson, Introduction to _Origin of the Species_ by Darwin: "This situation, where men rally to the defense of a doctrine they are unable to define scientifically, much less demonstrate with scientific rigor, attempting to maintain its credit with the public by the suppression of criticism and the elimination of difficulties, is abnormal and undesirable in science.... I am not satisfied that Darwin proved his point or that his influence in scientific and public thinking has been beneficial."

 

Francis Crick, Nobel Prize recipient for discovery of DNA structure: "Every time I write a paper on the origin of life, I determine I will never write another one, because there is too much speculation running after too few facts." (_Life Itself_, p.153)

 

John Ambrose Fleming, President British Assoc. for Advancement of Science: "Evolution is baseless and quite incredible." (_The Unleashing of Evolutionary Thought_)

 

Michael Denton: "The hold of the evolutionary paradigm is so powerful that an idea which is more like a principle of medieval astrology than a serious 20th century scientific theory has become a reality for evolutionary biologists.... The overriding supremacy of the myth has created a widespread illusion that the theory of evolution was all but proved 100 years ago and that all subsequent biological research - paleontological, zoological and in the newer branches of genetics and molecular biology - has provided ever-increasing evidence of Darwinian ideas... There has always existed a significant minority of first-rate biologists who have never been able to bring themselves to accept the validity of Darwinian claims. In fact, the number of biologists who have expressed some degree of disillusionment is practically endless... Ultimately the Darwinian theory of evolution is no more nor less than the great cosmogenic myth of the 20th century. Like the Genesis-based cosmology which it replaced, and like the creation myths of ancient man, it satisfies the same deep psychological need for an all-embracing explanation for the origin of the world which has motivated all the cosmogenic myth makers of the past." (_Evolution: A Theory in Crisis_, p.306, 327, 358.)

 

Dr. Colin Patterson, paleontologist at the British Museum of Natural History: "The explanatory value of the hypothesis of common ancestry is nil... I feel that the effects of the hypotheses of common ancestry in systematics has not been merely boring, not just a lack of knowledge, I think it has been positively anti-knowledge... Well, we're back to the question I've been putting to people: 'Is there one thing you can tell me about evolution?' The absence of answers seems to suggest that it is true:  evolution does not convey any knowledge, or if so, I haven't yet heard it." (from speech at the American Museum of Natural History, NYC, Nov 5, 1981)

 

Louis Agassiz, Harvard professor, pioneer in glaciation: "The theory of evolution is a scientific mistake." (cited in H. Enoch, _Evolution or Creation_, p.139)

 

S. Lovtrup, professor of zoophysiology at Universityof Umea, Sweden: "I have already shown that the arguments advanced by the early champions [of Darwinian theory of natural selection] were not very compelling, and that there are now [1987] considerable numbers of empirical facts which do not fit with the theory.  Hence, to all intents and purposes the theory has been falsified, so why has it not been abandoned?" (_Darwinism: The Refutation of a Myth_ p.352)

 

Steven Jay Gould, paleontologist: "We are left with very little time between the development of suitable conditions for life on the Earth's surface and the origin of life... Life apparently arose about as soon as the Earth became cool enough to support it." ("An Early Start", _Natural History_, Feb 1978)

 

"The extreme rarity of transitional forms in the fossil record persists is the trade secret of paleontology... In any local area, a species does not arise gradually by the steady transformation of its ansectors; it appears all at once and fully formed." ("Evolution's Erratic Pace", _Natural History_, May 1977)

 

"I regard the failure to find a clear 'vector of progress' in life's history as the most puzzling fact of the fossil record... We have sought to impose a pattern that we hoped to find on a world that does not really display it." ("The Ediacaran Experiment", _Natural History_, Feb 1984)

 

"Paleontologists have paid an exorbitant price for Darwin's argument.  We fancy ourselves as the only true students of life's history, yet to preserve our favored account of evolution by natural selection we view our data as so bad that we almost never see the very process we profess to study." (_The Panda's Thumb_, p.181)

 

 

 


Post 29

Friday, April 1, 2005 - 11:09amSanction this postReply
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As much a women baffle me at times I wouldn't have it any other way.

"Without music, life would be a mistake." - Nietzsche

Without women, life would be too easy. 


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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 11:30amSanction this postReply
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Robert Davison: Thank you for reminding the rest of us of the date....

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 11:55amSanction this postReply
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Adam, I just fell out of my chair laughing...! Someone  will quote Duane Gish soon no doubt!

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 1:31pmSanction this postReply
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Huh?  Whats this guy doing quoting creationist propaganda?  Are there objectivist creationists out there?

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 1:36pmSanction this postReply
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Lance,
Without women, there would be no life.

Hong
(A closet feminist - in her own version)


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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 2:26pmSanction this postReply
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Objectivist Creationist? Now I know it's April Fool's Day!

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Friday, April 1, 2005 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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Robert Davison: What a lovely collection of people who reject an idea based on empirical evidence- merely because it conflicts with their belief of a baseless idea. To hear a faither complain about scientists believing in a "baseless" idea such as evolution is at first funny, but then it saddens me.

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Saturday, April 2, 2005 - 2:05amSanction this postReply
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Adam,

Thank you for continuing to post Mr Merrill's work here. This is a brilliant piece, I'm very sorry I've not had time to take part in the discussion.

MH


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Saturday, April 2, 2005 - 2:42amSanction this postReply
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Ron Merrill copped out.  He understood that individualism is genetic.  Then, closed by calling for social support groups for individualists.

The direction of change in human nature may or may not be that "everyone" becomes an indivdual.  However, it is clear that unlike other primates, humans can survive apart from the group.

Our brains allow that.

1.  Mimicry and deception are survival traits.
2.  Humans are statistically altruists.

Therefore, it is to be expected that here on SOLO there are collectivists who signal "individualism" as their form of group identity.

The existence of individualist females is interesting.  Anatomy is destiny, so, some do have children. 

It is unlikely that individualism is directly inherited.  Like homosexuality, individualism appears in every generation, and our "post-natural" (urban)  environment may enhance the outcomes for them both. One difference between them -- and the genetic basis for individualism among humans, wolves, or salmon, etc. etc., etc. -- is that individuals who move from group to group prevent inbreeding.

That still leaves different kinds of "individualists."  Some join different groups in succession.  ("I was a Catholic before I discovered Ayn Rand.")  Others join no group at all.  Like homosexuals those who join no group would not reproduce biologically, but, in a "post-natural" environment can pass on their "memes" in lieu of their genes.


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Saturday, April 2, 2005 - 3:59amSanction this postReply
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Michael Marotta,

Could you describe the ethics of your genetic individualist? Is a "sense" of ethics also a genetic trait? What of a genetic individualist with no ethics?

Could your "genetic individualist" simply be a person of fairly high intelligence combined with an early environment that encouraged or demanded independence?

"those who join no group would not reproduce biologically, but, in a "post-natural" environment can pass on their "memes" in lieu of their genes."

A "cultural" gene pool, so to speak? The posts here at solo could very well outlive us all, for instance? Makes me question the reason for my "addiction" to solo. I'm about your age [56] and I have no children. Except for solo, I've always been strongly group averse.

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Adam Reed wrote: "I was Best Man at Ron's wedding to Yoon, which in European culture means I took on an obligation to look after their children if Ron died before his children were grown."

Jewish.  You said, "European" but you meant Jewish.  In the European traditions that I know of that role is given to the godparents.  That rests on the practice of infant baptism.  Usually, apostolic churches do this, though some evangelicals do as well.  In fact, if you do not understand this, you lose some of the implicit impact in the bootleg romantic novel and film. The Godfather.

The best man is a warrior lieutenant who protects the groom from the girl's family.  Also, the best man participates in the kidnapping of the bride.  This is all sublimated today in dinner toasts, public joking, etc., after standing at the altar and handing over the ring.  (Sometimes the ringbearers are children, which is cute but which depends on a certain level of nicety not inherent in primitive cultures.  The best man has the ring because he can defend it.)  The best man is there to stand at the head of the crowd and wave as the bride and groom drive off -- in an earlier time and another place, he would be  hacking away at the bride's family.

In Roman society, this role went to the brother of the groom, thus the "uncle" or avu-unculus or "little father."  If anything happened to the father, his brother would take the kids, and, heck, the woman, too, why not?  The brothers share genes, so if anything happened to you, better to have your brother get the bride than some stranger.   Now, of course, we broaden the definition of "brother" since all men are brothers (ahem).  Also, in my family, we bestowed titles of "uncle" and "aunt" on people not related by blood or marriage.  So, there is that.

You have to stop and ask yourself how these practices correlate to genetic individualism.  Best men, godparents, uncles, and all, seem to be obligations that decrease your mobility and pay off only as you see these children as carrying "your" genes.  Of course, it is in the interests of the tribe to have these practices which offset the sacrifcing of virgins and the wholesale slaughter of young males.


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