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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 12:54pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Michael,

I guess I'm not the only one surprised by your choice -- no doubt that's the reason ~for~ the choice. :^) 

Any comment on the unbalanced asymmetry?


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 1:13pmSanction this postReply
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Any comment on the unbalanced asymmetry?
 ...or the floral wreath on the boy's head? or the type of garb he was wearing?


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 1:19pmSanction this postReply
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Why is the painting so dark and the colors so somber? The palette seems dirty overall. It dampens from the would-be playful mood. It even looks out of balance.

My goodness, are those eyes? And the walls look like rust. I don't think I can look at this for long...

Newberry, you must have some quircky taste going on.

Personally, I can't believe this sells for $104 million. For that price, getting some short dashed work seems, well, obscene. But of course, who'll mind getting paid that well?

You sure this is top five material?

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 1:32pmSanction this postReply
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Deleted post, due to temporary insanity by the author.
(Edited by George W. Cordero on 6/16, 10:58pm)


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 2:03pmSanction this postReply
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I remember when this painting was sold at auction.

Art critics commented it only went for such a high price due to the name attached.

It is from Picassos so-called "rose period". The only positive thing I can say about it, is that by Picassos standards is one of his better paintings.

However, I am no fan of his work.


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 2:15pmSanction this postReply
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I can't believe I just wrote what I did above!

Ah, George, of course. Unlike you, I am an art expert because I own a copy of Sister Wendy's Story of Painting! ;-)

Hong


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 2:56pmSanction this postReply
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The additional comments actually made me look again (as in, "What in heck is George seeing?")

It's even yuckier the second time around! The "novelty" has worn off and the boy looks dead! The flowers look like funeral wreaths!

I'll be logging off now. I await the Newberry "explanation" tomorrow.... hopefully before I turn nuts or something.

And I'm still not sold on the buck-toothed nun...

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 3:32pmSanction this postReply
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"Any comment on the unbalanced asymmetry?"

Actually, in the context of the painting's positive versus negative spaces, the rhyming angles and their perpendiculars, the painting is quite ~well~ balanced. And had the boy been centered in the image, I think it would have placed much more emphasis on sexuality (the boy's face and open groin would have been centered instead of the pipe and his hands).

J

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 7:24pmSanction this postReply
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I am delighted that no one here seems too intimated by me to post such comments!!! hahahah.

 

My god, Jonathan posted something backing me up, at least indirectly...gosh!

 

I guess art for me is not only about idealism and action (they also matter a great deal to me). I big part is feeling related to the work. In this case the boy reminds me of how I felt as a teenager: moody, dark, serious even though I lived in a good natured athletic blond shell. My first book which  I enjoyed reading was Doskevesky, The Possessed. This boy looks almost sullen and a little crazy…I don’t see any dirtiness in the colors…I find them sensual enough to eat…and I find the light magnificent…Picasso has a lot of neutralized color (perhaps what Num++ means by dirty)…and when he zaps a highlighted color is magical for me…like the light/color highlights on the face…with the very neutral shadows. There is quite a bit of light on the wall on the left also along with Jonathans comment about the negative space of the composition helps balance…

 

Michael


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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 9:26pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, I now understand your artistic tastes much better than I did before, because you stated that the means matters to you more than the subject matter. This makes perfect sense to me, because it mirrors my own taste in literature, where I immensely value literary style, and usually above content.

I don't have the same reaction as you to painting. But perhaps I would if I were a professional.

Barbara

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Thursday, June 16, 2005 - 10:13pmSanction this postReply
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Michael, I now understand your artistic tastes much better than I did before, because you stated that the means matters to you more than the subject matter. This makes perfect sense to me, because it mirrors my own taste in literature, where I immensely value literary style, and usually above content.

I don't have the same reaction as you to painting. But perhaps I would if I were a professional.

Barbara

Barbara, I think you then also understand that for my own major work where I invest years of work I think a great deal about the subject--and I am usually very happy with the balance between subject matter and means. I think art is a lot like love and friendship...with different values and level of values and sometimes you get the whole nine yards.

Michael


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Friday, June 17, 2005 - 7:34amSanction this postReply
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Num++:

“Why is the painting so dark and the colors so somber?...It dampens from the would-be playful mood…


You sure this is top five material?”

 

Hey Num++,

 

I have two radical and very distinct views about art: one, is to immerse yourself in what you love and not give a fuck about what anyone thinks about it—hold it like a precious treasure that is yours alone; until you come across someone who feels the same way about it and you can share that feeling.

 

The other view is about analyzing the value of art i.e. art criticism. I view that as ruthlessly as any science…fact, fact, fact…no preconceived theories, or molding the evidence to fit your agenda. Observe what is there before your eyes, catalog it, and slowly observe the connections and hopefully identify the theme guiding the artist’s choices.

 

In truth I have no problem with people writing off or hating any painting including my own but I will, if I am gracious enough to take to the time, mercilessly skewer them if they so much as claim a judgment without evidence for it.

 

Where, if you like of course, would you place your above question and comment?

 

Michael


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Friday, June 17, 2005 - 10:02amSanction this postReply
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This boy looks almost sullen and a little crazy

 

Of course!

 

I’ll stick my neck out one more time by imagining what might have happened when Picasso was painting the boy

 

Boy:      I don’t like to sit for you, Signor.

 

P:          I’ll give you 100 pesos.

 

Boy:      Um…ok…plus your pipe!

 

P:          What?! Then you’ll have to put on this flower wreath!

 

Boy:      Yucks! (Saying to himself -Alright Signor. But this is what you’re going to get.)

 

Boy squinted his eyes and made a sullen face. Picasso sketched away….

 

(Sorry Michael, can’t help it…)


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Friday, June 17, 2005 - 10:16amSanction this postReply
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That’s a really funny post, Hong.

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Friday, June 17, 2005 - 10:46amSanction this postReply
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Hey, Jon! It's good to see you here snarling again!

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Friday, June 17, 2005 - 1:18pmSanction this postReply
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Newberry:
I am delighted that no one here seems too intim[id]ated by me to post such comments!!! hahahah.
Believe me, I'm delighted too, as it would defeat the purpose of the forum if intimidation were to rule what we post - especially when it comes to art, where there's seems to be more disagreement than agreement.

As I mentioned before, I have no particular expertise in art (my background is engineering). As far 'self-taught' is concerned, well nothing to boast about; just rummaging through various illustration manuals... I don't even have a single coffee-house art book, nor any art criticism books (nun or no nun). I do know who Picasso is, and his current revered reputation, but I know next to nothing about his life or "periods" (Rose period? Why would anyone devote one's artistic development over an extended time to roses?). I also don't know about these rhyming angles and negative spaces.... Heck, it appears I should be the one intimidated!
I have two radical and very distinct views about art: one, is to immerse yourself in what you love and not give a fuck about what anyone thinks about it....

The other view is about analyzing the value of art i.e. art criticism. I view that as ruthlessly as any science… fact, fact, fact… no preconceived theories....
I agree with you here too. If there was any particular idiosyncracy between you and this painting, who am I to begrudge you this particular joy? That joy is yours and yours alone. It is in the second part where we have disagreements - when I do view this painting objectively, it's nowhere near "top five material."
... but I will, if I am gracious enough to take to the time, mercilessly skewer them if they so much as claim a judgment without evidence for it.
Well, I did ask for your opinions in other threads (rather hanging as of today). As it seems I am the only one unequivocally blasting this work so far, it is only fair you have to ask for mine first. My critique:

Lighting: Atrocious. From the face, the light comes from the front and left side of the canvas. From the hand, it's almost directly above. From the legs, could be anywhere. From the dress, it should be a diffuse light all over the front. It's a confused mess. Where are the shadows?

Color: Lifeless. The skin tone is dead. As above, the wall looks like rust. Is it wood, stone, plaster, or textile? Who knows? It's just dirty. The wallflowers are washed out. The dress is rendered so monotonically that if it were not outlined, it might as well be part of the wall. The lips has no shade of anything to distinguish from the rest of the skin.

Structure: Askew... both the boy and the wall. There is no perspective where one can gain a handle on how the boy sits relative to the wall, as both the wall and seat are cut off the edge of the canvas. The boy tilts to the right for no good reason, as there is no predominant visual element to the left. In fact, if one tries, the left wall can be seen to recede. Net effect: the painting crowds the right with a lot of blank space on the left.

Proportions: Incorrect. The pipe is too small for the hand. The way it is gripped makes foreshortening that much impossible. What happened to the collar? Is there one or not? Can shoulders be sunk that low without bending the trunk forward? As an exercise, place your right hand close to your chest as the boy does (the fleshy part of the palm dead center)... will your right elbow end up drawn in? This is a lean lanky boy with serious bone structure problems.

Anatomy: Incompetent. Other than highlights and gross structure, there are no details to be discerned on the face, neck, and hands. The distance between the top of the brows to the top of the head is too much. Remove the wreath on the head and it could be hydrocephalic. If it's just hair scrunched on top, it's one weird hairdo. Are those eyes?

Subject/Theme: "Sad boy pretends to be donnish professor." Portraiture should furnish us with an inner identity of 'who' the subject is: "What drives them? What makes them tick? Is there something they are trying to hide behind their expression?" This painting just falls flat.... nothing to grip me at all.

Composition: It's just one bad thing after another. There's nothing to hold this painting up as a masterpiece.



I think I'll stop there. My eyes hurt just looking at this (again!!! The horror!). I don't care if this fetched $104 million; this is an amateur's hack as far as I can tell.

My critique wasn't kind at all... But I'll stand by it, for that is really what I see.

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 7:12pmSanction this postReply
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Num++,

 

Actually, I am in the wrong. Sometimes I hold a context without clearly letting other people know what that is!

 

I hope you find it worthwhile that you have taken the time to analyze the painting.

 

Composition is about how an artist divides up positive (the form of the subjects) and negative (the space surrounding and in-between forms). Light and shadow can also have compositional “weight”. Negative shape is of equal importance to positive. (Yin and yang kinda thing.) In the Picasso piece, there are slashing diagonal light and shadow shapes…the brightest rose color and lights on the wall are on the left side. There is also a casted shadow on the left which some of it falls on his leg.

 

In painting I have never been a fan of formal symmetry in composition. Something like a formal garden. I much prefer and respect organic balance in composition. Think of an architect breaking up the monotony of the box.

 

Have you ever been to a French country estate? If so you would recognize peach colored wash that often stain the walls. And if you have been to the Mediterranean you would recognize that many French, Italian, and Greek people have a pale olive green complexion in the winter.

 

The most simple way to understand reasonable perspective is that objects get bigger when they are closer to you…in this case his elbow is coming forward and increases in size compared to his shoulder. The head of the pipe gets smaller as it recedes in the opposite direction from us.

 

Back to lighting…there is a very subtle highlight on the wall it echoes the highlight on his hand…this recreates a rhythm.

 

With color, atmospheric perspective and organic composition demand lots of nuance in color…clean sheets of color are more often than not are flat…there is a lot of nuance in the Picasso…the blue clothes have lots of changeups like a good pitcher…as a painter you never what to have generic color…subtle nuance is essential.

 

One essential thing you don’t see is atmospheric perspective…that is why the flowers are faded and not in crystal clear color…if he did that it would flatten the painting by bring the paint to the surface.

 

You might be interested in my observations on 2nd and 3rd dimensional composition in drawing, Picasso is a master of that: http://www.michaelnewberry.com/studioupdate/2003-06/

Michael


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Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 7:40pmSanction this postReply
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I hope you find it worthwhile that you have taken the time to analyze the painting.
LOL! As I said, it hurt my eyes to look at it for a long time.

I do find the value of your sharing your viewpoint, as it will probably illustrate the difference between the pro and amateur 'seeing'. I obviously favor a more realist viewpoint.

I'll be reading your linked article and glean as much as I can from it. In the meantime I'll put up one of my "top five" paintings.

Thanks for the commentary. If this continues, I'll be getting some good education. Likely I'll persist until you start charging tuition. LOL!

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Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 7:58pmSanction this postReply
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Hi Hong,

 

I was thinking...

 

If you were to paint a self-portrait what would it look like? What kind of clothes would you wear? Your Sunday best or a lab smock? Or perhaps it might be a nude? What would you have for the background? Would you smile? What would be pose and angle of the head? And it can't be any simple pose no? Would it represent your deepest self? Would you be happy? Sad? Ruthless or fearful? Or competent? A mom? Lover? A little crazy, driven, or totally at peace?

 

Michael


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Saturday, June 18, 2005 - 8:21pmSanction this postReply
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Geez, Michael, what's going on in your head?! Are you suffering from some syndrome again?

Frankly, never thought about it, have no idea about it, and will not have any idea about it and obviously will never ever have one. And basically I don't care.

My mother once commented on a picture of me and some friends "Are you that person who smile like an idiot?" And that's it for me.

Now, let's get back to the discussion of Picasso and the boy! ;-)

(Edited by Hong Zhang on 6/18, 8:24pm)


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