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Sunday, May 5 - 7:32pmSanction this postReply
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My browser didn't show the video link - if yours doesn't either, here is a link

The man is scary. There's no way to separate out his hidden agendas of damning the small government Republicans in hopes of capturing the House in 2014, from his agenda to use the giant lie of We are the government and we are good and no one builds anything worthwhile without government to justify still more movement towards total control, from someone who drinks his own kool-aid and is that far outside of a solid grasp of reality.



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Sunday, May 5 - 7:42pmSanction this postReply
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Sorry about the link, my browser (Firefox) shows the video just fine.

Is Obama a man who believes his own bullshit? I'm inclined to think he is. If he isn't, well, he's a damn fine actor.



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Tuesday, May 7 - 6:55pmSanction this postReply
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Huh. The video shows up fine for me, too.



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Tuesday, May 7 - 11:02pmSanction this postReply
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The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government. - Thomas Jefferson

Experience hath shewn, that even under the best forms of government those entrusted with power have, in time, and by slow operations, perverted it into tyranny. - Thomas Jefferson

America will never be destroyed from the outside. If we falter and lose our freedoms, it will be because we destroyed ourselves. - Abraham Lincoln

The means of defense against foreign danger historically have become the instruments of tyranny at home. - James Madison

Government is not reason; it is not eloquent; it is force. Like fire, it is a dangerous servant and a fearful master. - George Washington

The marvel of all history is the patience with which men and women submit to burdens unnecessarily laid upon them by their governments. - George Washington

Man is not free unless government is limited. - Ronald Reagan

Government, even in its best state, is but a necessary evil; in its worst state, an intolerable one. - Thomas Paine

"Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices." - Obama



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Wednesday, May 8 - 7:59amSanction this postReply
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The times they are a-changin'.



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Wednesday, May 8 - 11:13amSanction this postReply
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The President said:
We, the People, chose to do these things together because we know that this country cannot accomplish great things if we pursue nothing greater than our own individual ambition. Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices do their best to gum up the works. They'll warn that tyranny is always just lurking around the corner. You should reject these voices because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule is somehow just a sham with which we cannot be trusted. We have never been a people to place all of our faith in government to solve all of our problems - we shouldn't want to - but we don't think that government is the source of all our problems, either, because we understand that this democracy is ours; and that as citizens we understand that it is not about what America can do for us, but what can be done by us together by the hard and frustrating but absolutely necessary work of self-government and Class of 2013 you have to be involved in that process.

It is easy to quibble with, but hardly a Marxist rant.  All presidents talk this way, even Ronald Reagan.  You can disagree with his assertion that we need to transcend individual ambition.  However, he also said, "We have never been a people to place all of our faith in government to solve all of our problems - we shouldn't want to ..."

The President is a centerist, by definition. So, it is always easy to disagree with half of everything he says.
 
And he was right when he said that government is not the source of all of our problems. In a democracy, any problems with government must have their roots in problems among the people and within persons.

(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 5/08, 11:17am)




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Wednesday, May 8 - 12:54pmSanction this postReply
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Michael,
The President is a centrist, by definition.
Only by his definition. Or the definition of his campaign staff or his staunch supporters. His actions and many of his own declarations make clear that he is on the far left. I can't believe you would really think he represents the center of American politics at this time!

He SAYS, "We have never been a people to place all of our faith in government to solve all of our problems - we shouldn't want to..." But that is the campaign rhetoric side of the president - and a bald lie coming from in his mouth. The action side is that government is the answer, no matter what the problem is. He does this all the time - saying something like he supports the free market, but at the same time working to regulate it far, far more intensely than ever before or to take it over - as in GM, student loans, health care, etc. He talks about the need to address our debt and the deficit, but that is just the talk side, because he then he proposes more spending. He is no centrist.
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And he was right when he said that government is not the source of all of our problems. In a democracy, any problems with government must have their roots in problems among the people and within persons.
Hitler was voted into office. So was Hugo Chavez. Because they were elected does that lift their succeeding acts out of the realm of judgment and mean that nothing they did was the source of any problems? When this man says, "self-government" or "self-rule" he means the far-left elites that he agrees with. When democracy brings about a result he doesn't approve of then it is considered shameful and he looks for a way to get around it with executive orders, or granting exemptions from the law, or by not enforcing a law he doesn't agree with. For him, democracy is only of value as long as it is working as a means towards his ends. When it isn't, it goes under the bus.



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Friday, May 10 - 3:30pmSanction this postReply
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Steve, granted that the President is a lying politician, so is Paul Ryan.  The question is really where is the center of America.  See, for instance, the Pew Research poll "Beyond Red vs,. Blue here:



The center does not meant that President does one consistently conservative thing today and one consistenltly liberal thing tomorrow.   Instead, centerism is compromise -- compromise on principles.  Neither the left nor the right will be satisfied. 

SW:"...  make clear that he is on the far left."

Well, OK, but only if you are on the Far Right.  (I think that you and I both prefer a two-dimensional axis area plot such as the famous "World's Smallest Political Quiz.")  President Obama may well be an authoritarian.
I guessed Pres. Obama here:

Your PERSONAL issues Score is 100%

Your ECONOMIC issues Score is 20%

... making him a Left Liberal, as you say.  And I agree.  But he does not run things.  He answers to others and he only signs the bills that Congress sends him (or not).  He is just a representative.
He SAYS, "We have never been a people to place all of our faith in government to solve all of our problems - we shouldn't want to..." But that is the campaign rhetoric side of the president ...
Why would he need to?  He has been re-elected to his second term, he has the bully pulpit if he wants it.  He grants the premise - as who could not: Americans distrust their governments - but not everything the government does is wrong or immoral or evil and some things - such as going to the Moon, or building the superhighways, or running the post office, or the national parks - can only be done by the government. I agree with you in disagreeing with that, but it is the true centerist position in America.  We just argue over what and how.  You and I are among those against whom he cautions.  I remember a Buckley column taking apart the claim by some liberal (Walter Lippmann or the comedian Henry Morgan) that liberals are the engines of progress and conservative are the (very necessary) brakes.   
 
SW: Hitler was voted into office. So was Hugo Chavez. Because they were elected does that lift their succeeding acts out of the realm of judgment and mean that nothing they did was the source of any problems?
 
They were, indeed, elected.  That underscores my point.  Any problem with government in a democracy must originate in deeper problems.  Governemtn per se is a consequence in a democracy.  

And I agree with you as we all know about the difference between a republic and a democracy.  Our nation was a republic with a strong constitution, and yet here we are...  How do you explain that?  The Devil Theory of History - evil bankers; fabian socialists; red agents, post modernist ivy leaguers - is all too easy.  And it is the theory of the radical left:  capitalist ruling class, co-opted workers, Davos and the Bilderbergers. Back in Ann Arbor, the Ron Paul people in the Libertarian tent at the 10-day Art Fair had no problem getting lefties to sign a petition to audit the Federal Reserve Bank.

And yet, President Obama continued the Bush Bailouts, the Bush Torture Camp in Guantanamo, the Bush War in Afghanistan... and added his own friends from General Electric, General Motors, and the UAW (a co-opted phony "labor" union, if you understand Marxism).  Obama betrayed the left: You can only screw your friends because your enemies already do not trust you.

Obamacare?  Do you think that real leftwing Marxist wants Big Medicine, Insurance and Big Pharma to have a blank check on the Treasury? Politics is the art of making friends by making promises and keeping the first while breaking the second.  Barack Obama is to Karl Marx as Paul Ryan is to Ayn Rand.
 




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Friday, May 10 - 3:40pmSanction this postReply
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IRS' scrutiny of 'Tea Party' under investigation
By Patrick Temple-West and Thomas Ferraro
WASHINGTON - Tax authorities' handling of applications for tax-exempt status from conservative political groups was under investigation, the White House said Friday after an IRS official apologized for "inappropriate" scrutiny of groups with "Tea Party" in their names.

Thank you, Mr. President...




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Sunday, May 12 - 11:06amSanction this postReply
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From the video:

"We, the people, chose to do these things together, because we know this country cannot accomplish great things if we pursue nothing greater than our own individual ambitions."


"This country" means the government. In other words, the government cannot accomplish great things if we pursue nothing greater than our own individual ambitions. Hence, we must sacrifice those ambitions so the government can accomplish "great things." Question: whose ambitions does Obama pursue if not his own? And "great things" according to whose value judgments? Our own or those of President Obama? And who exactly are "we, the people"? Evidently, that term doesn't include me, because I don't consider Obama's ambitions greater or more important to me than my own.

By the way, who said: "It is thus necessary that the individual should finally come to realize that his own ego is of no importance in comparison with the existence of his nation. . . . and that the higher interests involved in the life of the whole must here set limits and lay down the duties of the interests of the individual."? It wasn't another stump speech by Obama. It was Adolph Hitler on October 1, 1933 (from Speeches 1933-1938, Terramare Office, Berlin, 1938 (pp. 61f)

"Unfortunately, you've grown up hearing voices that incessantly warn of government as nothing more than some separate, sinister entity that's at the root of all our problems. Some of these same voices also do their best to gum up the works. (You mean, by opposing your policies?) They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices, because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule (i.e., in government control) is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted."

Does he really think that people have a good reason to trust the government?! He calls what we have now "self-rule." Self-rule, which is the right to pursue our own individual ambitions consistent with the right of others to pursue theirs, is precisely what the government does not allow. What Obama means by the term "self-rule" is rule of, by and for the majority (and its elected representatives).

"We have never been a people who place all our faith in government to solve all of our problems. We shouldn't want to. But we don't think that the government is the source of all our problems either (but it could sure help by getting out of the way and letting people run their own lives), because we understand that this democracy is ours, and as citizens we understand that it's not about what America can do for us; it's about what can be done by us together through the hard and frustrating but absolutely necessary work of self-government, and class of 2013 you have to be involved in that process."

Subtext: You, the class of 2013, have to be involved in the process of serving the government rather than in pursuing your own individual interests and ambitions.

Obama talks about working "together." Well, any true cooperation requires the voluntary consent of every participant. Each person has the right to make his own decision, but none has the right to force his decision on others either individually or through the hand of government. If the term "self-government" means anything, it means a system in which each individual's rights are respected and in which the government is dedicated to preserving and protecting those rights. That is not the system that we have today.

The original intent of the Constitution was to prohibit to the government anything that is not expressly permitted, and to permit to the citizens anything that is not expressly forbidden. We are fast approaching an inversion of that principle, in which the government is free to do anything it pleases while the citizens may act only by permission.

As long as Obama's in power, I don't think he'd call the government "tyrannical" no matter how intrusive it became. He'd simply say that it was enforcing the will of "the people."

Bill



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Sunday, May 12 - 11:44amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

There are far too many things that, to me at least, are like liberal talking points in your post #7 and I'm not going to address them. But do you really see Paul Ryan and Barack Obama as moral or political equivalents? Bizarre!
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Just a couple of short notes...
Do you think that real leftwing Marxist wants Big Medicine, Insurance and Big Pharma to have a blank check on the Treasury?
Real as opposed to pretend? Leftwing Marxist as opposed to rightwing Marxist?

Progressives are socialists that want to kill Capitalism gradually and implement socialism via democracy, not via a revolution. They have created Obamacare which is crafted to be the structure that will be modified again and again because of its failings... modified from a kind of Corporate/Government partnership into a single payer system that is full socialized medicine.
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The far left wants Gitmo closed because it was created by Bush. But remember that most of today's America far left still have a lot of the 'feel-good' liberal in their psychological makeup. With the passing of time, should America move farther to the left, they will find themselves arriving at justifications for a Gitmo like camp located somewhere but it will be a place to put political opponents - people they deem to be far right, racist, neaderthal, facists that believe in guns. The facists, communists, and petty dictators all agree in the end that their opponents need to be placed in a gulag of some sort. Obama's old friend Bill Ayers, when young, wanted re-education camps for the Americans that refused to go along with the communist nation he was proposing. Scratch a Harvard liberal and under the surface you find someone who gets a stiffie over the idea of being able to lock up his intellectual opponents and re-educate them.



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Sunday, May 12 - 11:46amSanction this postReply
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Well written, Bill.



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Sunday, June 9 - 8:39amSanction this postReply
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They'll warn that tyranny is always lurking just around the corner. You should reject these voices, because what they suggest is that our brave and creative and unique experiment in self-rule (i.e., in government control) is somehow just a sham with which we can't be trusted."
In other words, you should trust the government -- because officials have not done anything to violate the trust of the people (in their government). For example, there haven't been any instances where taxpayer dollars were used in order to fund or to defund one side of a political debate (which is a tell-tale sign of tyranny). Also, there haven't been any instances of domestic spying (which is a tell-tale sign of tyranny). Also, there haven't been any instances of a lopsided justice which continually allows for one-sided violation of law without judicial prosecution (which is a tell-tale sign of tyranny).


Instead, we have witnessed our government administrators routinely acting in ways that work solely to build-up public trust (they have a reputation for always telling the truth, they have a reputation for historically-unprecedented transparency, they have a reputation for impartiality with respect to meting out justice, they have a reputation for respecting the rule of law, etc.).

Ed

(Edited by Ed Thompson on 6/09, 9:47am)




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Sunday, June 9 - 4:51pmSanction this postReply
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Pass the Victory Gin..



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