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Saturday, November 13, 2010 - 6:45pmSanction this postReply
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That was well worth watching - Hilarious!

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 5:26amSanction this postReply
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WWPKD?

What would Paul Krugman do?

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Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 1:57pmSanction this postReply
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Yes, very cool!

The term "quantitative easing" has a pleasant and soothing sound, doesn't it? The term could easily suggest "easing up on the quantity of money" by printing less of it. In fact, of course, it means just the opposite. It means printing more money, not less.

Of course, the conventional locution for easing up on the quantity of money is "quantitative tightening." What this suggests is that the natural order of things is a steady flow of new and additional money which must be restrained by tightening a spigot, or else allowed to increase by easing up and letting the money flow unrestrained, as if a continuing increase in the quantity of money were a normal and natural part of the economy.

(Edited by William Dwyer on 11/14, 2:27pm)


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Sunday, November 14, 2010 - 2:25pmSanction this postReply
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As for "deflation," there are two senses in which that term is used -- (1) price deflation or a fall in the average level of prices, and (2) monetary deflation or a fall in the quantity of money and volume of spending. This distinction parallels a similar one for "inflation" -- price inflation or a rise in the average level of prices, and monetary inflation or a rise in the quantity of money and volume of spending. It is important to keep these two meanings separate and distinct. Failure to do so can confuse economic reasoning.

The old classical definition of "inflation" and "deflation" is the monetary one -- an inflation and deflation of the money supply. The dire consequences of the Great Depression have been blamed on "deflation" without making a careful distinction between the two senses of that term. The real harm of "deflation" during the Great Depression was due to monetary deflation. It was due to a credit contraction and the wiping out of people's savings and assets. It was NOT due to a fall in the average level of prices.

In fact, a failure to let prices (and wages) fall hampered the recovery. Prices and wages were prevented from falling by Hoover's and Roosevelt's misguided economic policies. Prices did fall some but not enough so people could afford to resume buying goods and services to any significant extent. As a result, unemployment was unnecessarily prolonged, because the higher wages prevented employers from creating jobs. Far from being an economic liability, price deflation is an antidote to monetary deflation.

It should be noted that price deflation can occur from an increase in the supply of goods and services relative to an existing quantity of money, just as well as from a fall in the quantity of money relative to an existing supply of goods and services. If the price deflation is due to an increase in the supply of goods and services, it is clearly an insignia of a rising standard of living and should be welcomed on that account alone. A common objection to it especially from mainstream economists is that the falling prices will cause a drop in spending, as people wait for prices to fall further, and that this is bad for business and the economy. These economists will therefore recommend a stable level of prices and argue that the Fed is necessary to regulate the money supply in order to achieve it.

What their objection overlooks is that an economy in which prices are falling due to an increased supply of goods and services is one in which there is less need to save money for the future, because the anticipated lower prices mean greater future purchasing power. So, the tendency to postpone purchases in order to take advantage of the lower prices is offset by the reduced need to save money in order to afford to buy these goods and services. The result is that in such an economy, there is likely to be little, if any, reduction in aggregate spending due to the anticipated fall in prices.

What about a situation in which price deflation is due not to an increased supply of goods and services but to a fall in the quantity of money resulting from the wiping out of people's savings and assets? In that case, won't people postpone spending as they await lower prices in the future? To a certain extent, they will, but if prices are not allowed to fall, they'll abstain from spending to an even greater degree, because they won't be able to afford it. So, even in that case, price deflation is a good thing, because it makes goods and services more affordable.

All in all, there is absolutely no downside to price deflation, and every reason for economists to welcome and promote it. Monetary deflation, on the other hand, is not desirable, but that kind of deflation is due to the Fed's manipulation of the money supply. It is a consequence of the business cycle and of having to rein in monetary inflation.

P.S. I've cross posted this to the Economics Forum under the title: "Deflation unmasked."

(Edited by William Dwyer on 11/14, 2:34pm)


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Monday, November 15, 2010 - 3:14pmSanction this postReply
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Good post #3, Bill.

The logical fallacy of saying that price deflation means people won't buy something is contradicted by the evidence around us. The prices of TV and computers has been in a free fall for a long time now, and the resale value of a car continuously plummets the moment you take possession of it, and yet my family now owns three TVs, four computers, and three cars. Two of the TVs are sitting unused in the garage because their value has deflated so much that they are virtually worthless, even though they both work. (I've put a strict limit of one TV in the actual house at any time, since otherwise my kids will be glued to them every spare minute, with TVs blaring in every room in the house.)

And yet, I went and bought a new big screen hi-def TV to replace one of these functioning TVs, knowing full well that the resale value of that TV would drop in half or more within the year. So why did I buy it? Because the value to me of being able to watch an incredibly sharp picture is worth more than the expected price depreciation.

I bought a slightly used Avalon recently for half the new MSRP, thus having ample evidence of the further rapid decrease in value I can expect in the value of the car. So why did I buy it, when I have two functioning cars? Because the value of not having to schlep my 16 year old daughter everywhere she needs to go, now that she has a driver's license and can drive herself, is worth the price depreciation, not the mention the value of the pleasure of driving by far the nicest car I've ever owned.

So, at most, rapid price deflation means people will slightly delay their purchases of a given item, and in the case of the 4 computers in my house, the dropping prices have meant that instead of rationing a single computer, we've ended up buying four computers to avoid anyone having to wait to use one. Thus, price deflation of computers has meant an INCREASE in sales, the same way price deflation at WalMart has meant an explosion of their sales.
(Edited by Jim Henshaw on 11/15, 3:21pm)


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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 3:34pmSanction this postReply
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I love it.

Thanks, Jim!

Ed


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Tuesday, November 16, 2010 - 10:36pmSanction this postReply
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Jim,

Thanks for your comments.. Very interesting. As I've copied Post 3 to the Economics Forum, I've been busy answering replies there. But I want to follow up on your point that price deflation induces people to buy now rather than later.

It is true that there is a tendency to buy more of a product at lower prices than at higher prices. So lower prices will certainly induce people to buy a product that they otherwise might not buy at a higher price. But in the case of steadily falling prices, there is at least some tendency to postpone purchases in order to get an even better deal in the future. Whether or not that tendency is actualized in any given case depends, of course, on the strength of one's demand for the product. Obviously, in your case, the demand was quite strong. However, the question for economists is: will there be an economy-wide, aggregate postponement of purchases in response to a steadily falling average level of prices?

It's the reverse of the question, in the face of steadily rising prices (price inflation), is there a tendency to buy sooner rather than later in order to avoid paying a higher price in the future? For some people, whose demand for the product is not especially strong, it won't matter much if they buy it at a slightly higher price in the future, but for others, it will, and they will tend to increase their purchases in an inflationary environment.

Not surprisingly, economists have therefore concluded that in the presence of price deflation, consumers will on average postpone purchases, which has prompted the conclusion that the best level of prices is one that is neither rising nor falling. What that conclusion overlooks, however, is that if a steadily falling average level of prices is due to a rising level of productivity in which the production of goods and services outpaces any increase in the supply of money, there is less need to save for future purchases and more of an incentive to spend money in the present, which will then offset the tendency to postpone purchases for the sake of lower prices.

Which incentive will predominate for a given individual -- the incentive to buy now at the lower prices or the incentive to postpone purchases for still lower prices in the future -- depends on the buyer's individual preferences -- the strength of his demand for the products. But if we are looking at how these countervailing incentives play out in the aggregate, then there is no clear-cut evidence that either incentive will prevail at the expense of the other. One can reasonably expect consumer spending to continue at pretty much the same level as before.



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Wednesday, November 17, 2010 - 3:13pmSanction this postReply
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"Not surprisingly, economists have therefore concluded that in the presence of price deflation, consumers will on average postpone purchases, which has prompted the conclusion that the best level of prices is one that is neither rising nor falling."

People in government have this silly idea that people buying stuff results in a better economy. When in reality, people creating more than they consume results in a better economy. I'm guessing what people in government think is "If people buy stuff sooner, transactions happen sooner. Then we'll be able to collect tax money sooner during those sooner transactions!" So people spending their money results in a higher government tax income, but it doesn't necessarily result in higher efficiency or a better economy.

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Thursday, November 18, 2010 - 7:10amSanction this postReply
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as usual, the free market is the best mechanism to adjust these things. The government interference is what causes the problems and imbalances. Unfortunately, these imbalances benefit both the bankers and politicians most. Hence, that is what we get, until it all falls apart, which is where we are headed.

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