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Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 7:54pmSanction this postReply
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Amazing.  I spent a deal of the day watching this process on Fox's live stream today, along with Obama's pathetic stage performance (he begged, borrowed and stole every guilt inducing reason under the sun, heavily relying on Lincoln, but naturally, almost disgustingly, out of context) and I have to say I'm more dismayed today than I've ever been at the Democratic Party's plain refusal to deal with rational principles, cause/effect, or underlying premises.  It's all about feelings to them. They just don't care about the whys or hows. They really don't care about tomorrow or 30 years from now. They just don't care. I'm so frustrated.

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Saturday, March 20, 2010 - 11:25pmSanction this postReply
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i hear ya, Teresa! If this thing passes, and it may very well, then we give 'em the bum's rush in 2010. Hopefully, the Republicans if they get a majority, can then repeal this horrendous piece of legislation.

- Bill

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 8:17amSanction this postReply
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Obama would veto any repeal. The Republicans could only repeal it with either the same 51% control of the house, 60% control of the Senate, and control of the White House, or, get enough Democrats to vote to override a veto or block all legislation and appointments until Obama caved. The only other hope would be the Supreme Court ruling the law unconstitutional.

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 8:35amSanction this postReply
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With the changes I expect we will see in the House, they could impeach. But the Senate probably won't have the votes to convict. It's a problem.

The real need is the educational transformation of the voting public. Only a tiny, tiny portion are far left ideologues, most of those who vote with them are the masses clamoring for their entitlements and venting their anger at the successful. No transformation is likely with the idiot ideologues or the angry parasites. But the rest of the population - still a majority - is open to understanding how capitalism, the balance of power between state and federal governments, and individual rights are the mechanism for a good life. And, a long protracted battle - be it over Obamacare or something else - might just be the ticket to keep the involvement high enough for the education to take place. For the first time we have political battles being fought on the national stage withe one side explicitly calling for capitalism and people are rallying to them.

If over the remainder of Obama's 1st term the job of educating the people has a significant effect, then the 2012 elections might create the congress and administration needed to roll back not just Obamacare but the much, much more... the Fed, the IRS, and much of the alphabet soup of agencies that regulate us to the point of being non-competitive.
(Edited by Steve Wolfer on 3/21, 8:49am)


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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 8:43amSanction this postReply
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Andrew Bernstein posted this to his Facebook page 3/17/10

"If the government takes over health care, I will refuse to buy their package, refuse to pay the fine imposed, and make them arrest me. I will broadcast my refusal to cave to socialism on my website, on Facebook, to my students, in my lectures, and on the radio. I will fight this in the courts--or will the DC Fascists s...uspend the right to trial by jury? I suspect--and hope--that millions of Americans will do the same."


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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 8:44amSanction this postReply
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Can you get wifi from a federal prison cell?

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 11:47amSanction this postReply
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>>>Can you get wifi from a federal prison cell?<<<


Nope! they drastically limit your ability to communicate with outside world. Internet is forbidden in prisons.



Billboard on I-70 in Missouri

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 1:14pmSanction this postReply
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Well, at least we know no one posting on RoR is posting from prison...

Not that I would be against it.

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 2:02pmSanction this postReply
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Prisoners in Britain have access to facebook.

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 9:18pmSanction this postReply
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Tomorrow we are calling our insurance company to cancel our medical insurance policy. If everybody does the same - Are they going to put the whole America into prison?

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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 9:44pmSanction this postReply
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Ted wrote,
Obama would veto any repeal. The Republicans could only repeal it with either the same 51% control of the house, 60% control of the Senate, and control of the White House, or, get enough Democrats to vote to override a veto or block all legislation and appointments until Obama caved. The only other hope would be the Supreme Court ruling the law unconstitutional.
You are certainly correct, at least for the time being. Hopefully, the legislation will be ruled unconstitutional. I was thinking down the road a bit. Barring such a ruling by the Supreme Court, if we could get a Republican president in 2012, perhaps we could repeal it then without the specter of the president's veto. Unfortunately, the likely Republican candidates are not the most exciting prospects, e.g., Mike Huckabee, Sarah Palin, and Mitt Romney.

The Republicans had better be careful whom they nominate. Let's hope it's not Mike Huckabee or Sarah Palin for obvious reasons, or even Mitt Romney, who supported mandatory insurance for Massachusetts, which raised the cost of health insurance there by 23 to 56 percent. Even the conservative Heritage Foundation, which should know better, supported the Massachusetts mandate. If conservatives don't understand the issue any better than that, we're in trouble. The Republicans really need to get their act together if they're going to win in 2012!

- Bill
(Edited by William Dwyer on 3/21, 10:05pm)


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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 10:42pmSanction this postReply
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I am not sure what the obvious reasons are not to nominate Sarah Palin, other than that I don't like her, to my ears, horrible, off key vowels. She would be running to win the election, not to be nominated for thae Nobel prize in physics. (Obama will likely win that in 2012 in any case.)

Yes, the Supreme Court will find provisions of the socialized medicine legislation unconstitutional, specifically the provision requiring private citizens to buy insurance. Just as with the campaign finance law they will not properly find the entire abomination abominable. If they can wangle it, the liberals will simply fix that loophole by just giving healthcare away to everyone for free.

The only solution is a full legislative repeal.

Frankly, the only likely scenario I see that will accomplish that is the annihilation of a city by a nuclear bomb, whether Tel Aviv, Chicago or New Delhi. That will get us the needed majority.



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Sunday, March 21, 2010 - 11:34pmSanction this postReply
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Ted, give me a break! Sarah Palin is a joke; she has no gravitas and is too easily lampooned for her naivete and her general ignorance. We saw this in the last election. If the Republicans want to lose the election, they'll be sure and nominate her. I shudder to think that she's actually being considered a viable candidate.

- Bill

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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 7:09amSanction this postReply
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>>>Even the conservative Heritage Foundation, which should know better, supported the Massachusetts mandate. If conservatives don't understand the issue any better than that, we're in trouble.<<<

It's relatively easy to fight the government, it is absolutely impossible to fight the nation. If the majority of people want "something for nothing", disagreeing only in terms, THIS is the end of America.



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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 8:56amSanction this postReply
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Yeah, Bill, you are right. I am sure that no other candidate other than Palin could ever possibly be mocked on Saturday Night Live.

I don't want a smart president. Obama is a "smart" president. I think Palin would be perfectly capable of cutting taxes, repealing Obama's acts, and supporting the troops in the field.

What, exactly, do you want from a president? One who can read from a teleprompter and who appeals to academics and Europeans?

Maybe you could let us know who you are for?

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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 9:22amSanction this postReply
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It was just a dream.

1776-2010 RIP

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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 10:07amSanction this postReply
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Signs of the times.  As I write on Monday morning (your results may differ), the headline on FoxNews is Will States Get The Last Laugh? (about the expected state overrides and court challenges).  Not surprising, you say, but on CNN it's Health care reform still faces hurdles, with a side item Health bill: Milestone - or mistake?  On ABC it's Health Care Hope?  Or Health Care Hell?  First the Bill, Now the Fallout.


Hang on for the ride.


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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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Yep - if y'all thought it was a contentious year of the Bush election, y'all ain't seen nothing yet...

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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 10:47amSanction this postReply
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Re: Maria Feht: We can fight the government but not the nation:

Obama was elected. Which tells me that at that time the nation in majority wanted in increase wealth redistribution significantly. Either that, or we are a nation that is controlled by a mob of fools who didn't know what they are voting for.

My hope is the later, that we are a nation ruled by a mob of fools. And further that the fools will learn what wealth redistribution does by induction rather than by first hand experience. And that the nation will then turn around and change the course back away from wealth redistribution and towards individualism.

But either the case: we are led by those who want to redistribute wealth, or we are led by fools, I do not want to be a part of making those who take my wealth against my will any bit successful.
(Edited by Dean Michael Gores on 3/22, 10:52am)


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Monday, March 22, 2010 - 11:33amSanction this postReply
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Obama garnered 69,456,897 popular votes. That hardly constitutes a majority of Americans. And considering that some ten million of the votes he received were from dead people, illegal aliens, and homeless people bussed into districts where they did not reside, even less so.

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