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Monday, March 30, 2009 - 9:19pmSanction this postReply
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Phenomenal!

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 4:20pmSanction this postReply
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Hold on a minute. I'm a big time video game player and I don't evade reality.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 6:20pmSanction this postReply
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Awesome video. A little harsh on the gamer's though, although I do know quite a few people that take it to a evasive extreme. I figure its like anything. You can drink socially or you can live in the bottle. Gaming is the same. I will have to take a look at all of these, the message was powerful before, but its even more so in this format.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 11:32pmSanction this postReply
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Hi guys- I hope my video is not so concrete-bound to give the impression it's only about gamers- I think gaming is fine, I've just seen so many people (my best friend from college is one of them) who use it as a substitute for life. The sin is not that the guy in the video is gaming, but that he's gaming when the bills are due, the girlfriend is leaving, etc. It's the same thing if I'm working on a Galt video when the house is on fire- it's not the activity it's the evasion. I hope the principle is clear? I couldn't think of any other activity that is so obviously, immediately recognizable as an escape from real things.

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Tuesday, March 31, 2009 - 11:49pmSanction this postReply
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Richard,

I love what you've done! No, I didn't take it as being anti-gaming, and I thought the evidence of a neglected life was clear. Keep up the excellent work.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 - 4:58amSanction this postReply
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I have a friend whose roommate became so addicted to gaming that he quit working, leaving my friend to foot the bills until he could find another place to live.

Last I heard, the addict was living with his mother!

So, yes, this can and does happen.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 - 5:14amSanction this postReply
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I couldn't think of any other activity that is so obviously, immediately recognizable as an escape from real things.
I would argue that playing video games is not "an escape from real things". Its a misconception that things that exist in software are not real. They are a part of reality.

But I would agree that a person can play too much, where benefits from things like hand eye coordination, quick thinking & problem solving, social interaction, etc that come along with playing games are not improving while other things that make a person's life successful are not being accomplished.

Rephrase to "Can be done in excess neglecting important problems."

An "excessively" playing video game player is not my enemy-- he is not initiating force on others. If he doesn't pay bills then that's another issue. I'd find it respectable that a person is very skilled and capable in a particular game or games.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 - 5:23amSanction this postReply
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Your point is pretty clearly made, Richard. That video is very well done, I think. As I said, I consider gaming to be a fun but potentially dangerous substance. I love them, but I know a lot of people that have made some very poor choices with them. Keep the vids coming.

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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 - 2:58pmSanction this postReply
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I get Richard's idea about using gaming as a great example of escape, but at the same time, not defining gaming, per se, as an escape-in-itself.

I'd find it respectable that a person is very skilled and capable in a particular game or games.
Dean, my nephew is nationally ranked in Halo3 and is competing in the national tournament.

Ed


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Wednesday, April 1, 2009 - 6:48pmSanction this postReply
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RG: " I hope my video is not so concrete-bound to give the impression it's only about gamers- I think gaming is fine, I've just seen so many people ..."

Richard, thanks, once more for all of your hard work.  I personally feel remiss in not writing positively about this installment, as I have about so many of the others.  This is your work, not mine.  If this were Evasion 6.5, with the old "Evasion" as #6, I would feel that you did what I would have done, if I had done it, which, of course, I did not. 

 I used the old Evasion 6 in my senior seminar class in criminology last year at this time.  We had to give oral presentations based on our term papers and mine was about the choice to think as a metachoice to explain the contradictory data of the rational choice theory of criminal behavior.  So, I was invested in the previous instantiation. 

Also, while your video was not concrete-bound, clearly there may be another person nearby who is.  Personally, I play games, too.  But I understood the point you were making.  I especially liked the pun about "character building."  That was cute and on target.  I was not offended.  I did not wonder if you meant me.  (And, if I thought you did, I would take the advice to objectively reflect on my life.)   In fact, you used some of this same material in both the earlier version of 6 and in others, as I recall. 

All in all, this is terrific work.  I want you to know that. 

For the crim seminar last year, I got Galt's Speech and printed copies of the text to match your video, so that they would not miss a single word.  The man who sleeps with sluts and declares that he loves his wife drew a laugh.  I think they got the whole thing.  Anyway, the professor did, as I got an A on the paper and the presentation.


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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 4:40amSanction this postReply
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Hi Michael-

The goal for this version of the series is to put everything back in speech order so the whole thing runs back-to-back. The original version of this material covered "Evasion" and "Causality"= with the stuff about Bill Clinton coming in the "Causality" section- That stuff will still be in, it's just going to come later in the spot that Rand wrote it. I love hearing about people getting different uses out of my videos. Some people download to their ipods and watch while on their commute, some have been playing vids before groups, etc. I think it's really cool. I'm being interviewed for an Objectivist podcast this weekend about the series! Thanks for everything- the project continues to be a lot of fun. I've still got 14 episodes left (I've done 23 so far counting both versions), but I'm seeing the finish line!

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 5:42amSanction this postReply
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Nice job Richard : )

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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 7:37amSanction this postReply
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Richard rocks.

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Ed



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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 7:55amSanction this postReply
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A related depiction of evasion is found in the movie, Erik the Viking, where King Arnulf of Hy-Brasil tells his subjects and himself -- as his whole city is sinking into the ocean -- "Everyone stay calm! This is not happening!"

:-)

The first part of his drawn out evasion -- at the end, he's the last one on a tiny piece of sinking rock (still saying "This is not happening!") -- the first part of this evasion is viewable 57 seconds into the movie trailer:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyPR3w751JE

Ed


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Thursday, April 2, 2009 - 8:56amSanction this postReply
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A related depiction of evasion is found in the movie, Erik the Viking, where King Arnulf of Hy-Brasil tells his subjects and himself -- as his whole city is sinking into the ocean -- "Everyone stay calm! This is not happening!"  (Ed Thompson)
An even better (real-life) depiction would be that of the former Iraqi Information Minister, Muhammad Saeed al-Sahhaf, who publicly declared, during the 2003 U.S. invasion, that  there were no American troops in Baghdad, and that the Americans were committing suicide by the hundreds at the city's gates. At that time, American tanks were patrolling the streets only a few hundred meters from the location where the press conference was held.


     http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Muhammad_Saeed_al-Sahhaf


As for the video...brilliant, beautiful work, Richard.

I hadn't watched one of these for a long time, and I'd honestly forgotten how stirring Rand's words are.

Time to reread Atlas.

Thank you, Richard.


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