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Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 12:38pmSanction this postReply
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Here is my response to my buddy, who used this video as an argument against me:

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The Bill Maher video (in which Maher used a statement by FDR's Fed Chairman Eccles to liken the economy to a poker game) is wrong -- because it views an economy as a zero-sum game like it is in the jungle.
 
In the jungle, there's only so much wealth (food, shelter, etc.) to go around -- and animals constantly fight over it, instead of producing it themselves. A 'lawless' jungle is an example in action of the Marxian concept of class warfare. Only the strong survive. This is different from rising tides lifting all boats. Animals can't make tides rise like humans can.
 
In a human economy, wealth gets produced (the whole economic pie grows). As of 2001, 90% of the world had never, ever been richer. Results under GW Bush -- which are indeed bad -- are not an example of free enterprise, but Big Government cronyism. If the government stays small -- like the Constitution tells it to -- then these problems don't arise.
 
It's hard to get folks to see this because -- not believing that learning and reputation will happen (because of the prejudice of low expectations) -- they aren't ready to try the smaller government prescribed by the Constitution. Most of the time, however, when you expect more from folks -- you get more from folks.
 
If most people agreed that more should be done about their neighbor's welfare, then socialism wouldn't be needed as a government-enforcement -- because they'd be helping their neighbors. It's only on the premise that an elite, special interest group should get to spend the wealth that other folks create -- because they have special feelings of social or cosmic justice -- that the cause of government-enforced socialism can get off of the ground.

Ed
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Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 1:21pmSanction this postReply
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"Jesus HATED rich people"

Doesn't sound they're all about advancing an intellectual argument. Gee, who else HATES rich people? Evidently Hollywood celebrities.

Joe the Plumber doesn't have a chance to "share the wealth"? He's "locked out"? How come second generation immigrants from wherever they come from are dramatically overrepresented in the upper middle class in the United States? [per Thomas Sowell]. Hard work and saving has (so far) worked for anyone in this country willing to try it.

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Sunday, October 26, 2008 - 3:54pmSanction this postReply
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"Jesus HATED rich people"

And yet Nichodemus was friend of him...


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Monday, October 27, 2008 - 6:34amSanction this postReply
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Ed T. wrote:
The Bill Maher video (in which Maher used a statement by FDR's Fed Chairman Eccles to liken the economy to a poker game) is wrong -- because it views an economy as a zero-sum game like it is in the jungle.
You nailed that one, Ed.

The guys in the video also reveal their utter ignorance about statistics. While the share of income of the top 1% or top quintile has risen in recent years, it is as much or more due to new entrants in the lowest quintile (probably to a great extent Hispanic immigrants) than those at the top earning more.

Here is a simple example to illustrate. In the following two sets of data the incomes for 100 people are identical. The only difference in people and incomes is that the 2nd set adds 10 people with low incomes. But look at the shares column. Shares of income are higher in the second set for the 4th and highest quintiles, despite no change in income for the individuals. (In the 2nd set each quintile has 22 people.)

people  income      quintile     share
20        15900        Low         3.7%
20        37400        2nd          8.7%
20        58500        Middle   13.7%
20        85200        4th         19.9%
20       231300       High       54.0%
  
people  income      quintile     share
10        12000       Low         3.6%
20        15900       2nd          7.5%
20        37400       Middle   13.4%
20        58500       4th         20.4%
20        85200       High       55.2%
20       231300 
 
Another comparison is worth noting. The shares of the 2nd and middle quintiles are less in the 2nd set. Hence, it appears that "the middle class is worse off." That is clearly not the case. The relevant people have the same income in each set.

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Monday, October 27, 2008 - 7:15amSanction this postReply
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Thanks, Merlin.

You give great ammunition.

:-)

Ed


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