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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 4:34pmSanction this postReply
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Oh, I love that old bull dog. Call him a war horse. He doesn't need to continue on defending America against the pretense of the President we have now, one who can't call a spade a spade because it isn't politically correct to do so.

But there he is anyway, leading the charge, and I hope to the god I don't believe in that he continues doing it till the day he dies. I think George Bush is wrong for keeping silent. He doesn't have to lead the charge. They say that is what the Vice President is for. But to have Bush speak up on the principles that he started two wars over would show the (literal) "old soldiers" in the war on terror that some backbone still exists somewhere. 


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Wednesday, December 30, 2009 - 5:43pmSanction this postReply
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In so far as we actually had a President during the Bush years I think it mostly was Cheney.



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Friday, January 1, 2010 - 10:28pmSanction this postReply
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Any idea when terror is going to come to Paris and sign the peace accords, ladies and gentlemen?

I am disappointed to see this sanctioned so much.

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 - 8:02amSanction this postReply
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Steven,

Let's face it, if Osama Bin Laden shows up anywhere, he will be arrested.

The fact is that the world has changed so much that terrorist organizations can operate on an international scale with an effectiveness unimaginable in earlier periods of history. They are not nations in traditional sense, but yet can organize, arm, and fund themselves as well as (in some cases better than) many third world nations. And they have - very loudly, and very publicly - announced that they are waging war against us - the "us" being -generally- Western civilization and values, and -specifically- the United States (which they see as the embodiment of all they hate).

Cheney may not be the person I'd select as a defender of our constitution, but he is fairly viewed by many as a defender of our nation. And when he is right, he is right. There is more than a little truth to the opinion he expressed in that quote.

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 - 9:30amSanction this postReply
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Certainly in comparison to that stinky B.O. we now have as the official 'defender of the realm'...

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 - 1:56pmSanction this postReply
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STD: "I am disappointed to see this sanctioned so much."



(Edited by Ted Keer on 1/02, 1:57pm)


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Saturday, January 2, 2010 - 2:46pmSanction this postReply
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Mr. Abbott,

I do not have any disagreement with that bare recitation of facts - the problem is that the term "War on Terror" is wholly meaningless. At its conceptual root, it is a tactic. A rather vile one, granted, but still.

If one wanted to say "well, we are at 'war' with fundamental Islamists who want hate Western civilization", that is at least a little closer to accurate. However, that lengthy designation leads to a whole host of other problems, the chief one being that those Islamists can say anything they want, unless we think of 'freedom of speech' as applicable only to the West (which, I think, we should not).

Even if one wants to take that further and say "well, exhortations to wreak havoc and violence are not protected speech in the United States, so why should they be abroad?" that presents even more problems, such as "why is the United States using the military to punish criminal infractions?" and "should such crimes, when they are outside the United States, be within that nation's jurisdiction regardless?"

And, no, I did not find very much 'truth' Dick Cheney's quote there, for myriad reasons:

1. The current President has stated that should civilian trials fail for someone like Khalid Sheikh Muhammed, he is going to assert the same Patriot Act-bestowed powers that the former President claimed: the power to detain those deemed as national security threats, even after trials. Does that sound very American to you, or does it sound like Soviet-style show trials, where the Government always wins and the defendant always loses? I think you might be able to tell what I think.

2. I am not sure why Cheney, or many here, have so little faith in the United States' values, especially justice. The fact is, is that trials were the right way to do this thing from the start. Because the statements from KSM were coerced at Guantanamo Bay, the correct decision (trials) that we originally should have arrived at is FUBAR'd (for those with military knowledge) --- if nothing else, there should have been a War Court established and we could at least put a veneer of traditional Anglo-American legality on this.

The bottom line is that what separates us from these animals are our values, and no pantswetter like Dick Cheney should be permitted to try to scare our values out of us at the first sign of trouble. There may be a "last inch", but within that last inch we are free.

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 - 5:25pmSanction this postReply
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Some of this stuff seems obvious. It may be unusual to be at war but not having a country to name, but clearly there are organized units with sufficient members and resources that have declared war on us. Because they aren't a country recognized by the UN or with diplomatic recognition does NOT change the need to bring our military forces to bear in protecting ourselves.

The scope of Al Queda's resources, the number of members, the malevolence of their ideology, the damage they've already done, and their stated intentions all speak to the need to strike back. Steven is correct, technically, about the "War on Terror" - but it is too close to semantic quibbling. If Congress had either honor or balls they would have declared war on Saudi Arabia (for their support) and Al Qaeda. Saudi Arabia could have been allowed a conditional surrender - the condition being their immediately stopping any support for jihadists and ceasing to support any further teaching of jihadism in the schools.

With a declaration of war it makes sense to institute military tribunals. I believe that every prisoner needs a rapid, efficient, solid military process that we can count on to establish if, in fact, they are an enemy combatant and not some one that was scooped up by accident. Once they are properly sorted out like that, it becomes easy to handle them. And when they are declared enemy combatants we don't grant them civil rights, and we can try them for war crimes where appropriate (military tribunal) and execute them.

It is very doubtful that people as individuals will be able to threaten our national well-being without organizing into a group. Our history is so replete with threats from those organizations we call states that we are floundering around because this organization isn't a state and instead is spread around and receives support from a number of states and from individuals. But it is just as much an enemy and we should be much harsher with those states that lend aid than we have been.

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Saturday, January 2, 2010 - 7:21pmSanction this postReply
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Steven,

If by "war court" you also mean 'military tribunal' as Steve W. suggests, then I am in agreement.

jt

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