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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 9:23pmSanction this postReply
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Binswanger sure knows how to make vinegar, doesn't he?

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 8:33amSanction this postReply
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Considering where Binswanger said this, I think it is what is nowadays called "throwing red meat to the base." I am personally no fan of his, but I don't doubt the authoritative nature of his statement.

The point of posting the quote is to demonstrate that what anarchists call the NIoF axiom is no such thing according to Objectivism. (This is one of many mistakes, if not distortions, made by posters on the libel poll thread.) My source of this quote is the "Libertarians" heading (the scare quotes are original) in the Ayn Rand Lexicon.

Another excerpt under that heading:

". . . I disapprove of, disagree with, and have no connection with, the latest aberration of some conservatives, the so-called “hippies of the right,” who attempt to snare the younger or more careless ones of my readers by claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism. Anyone offering such a combination confesses his inability to understand either. Anarchism is the most irrational, anti-intellectual notion ever spun by the concrete-bound, context-dropping, whim-worshiping fringe of the collectivist movement, where it properly belongs." (“What Can One Do?” Philosophy: Who Needs It, p. 202)

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Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 9:24amSanction this postReply
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I agree with the gist of this quote, that many libertarians seem to regard the non-initiation of force principle as some kind of revealed dogma, rather than a principle that is meant to serve the value of life. This dogma leads to all kinds of non-sensical ideas like "anarcho-capitalism" that are anti-life. However I'm not so sure if it's true that libertarians plagiarized the principle from Rand. Bill Dwyer pointed out here it appears the principle that no man may initiate the use of physical force was not a principle originated by Rand.
(Edited by John Armaos on 10/25, 9:25am)


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Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 10:38amSanction this postReply
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He's also generalizing about all libertarians. I don't think they were all anarcho-capitalists even in the 70's. Mises? Hayek?

Note how Rand is, as is so often the case, more precise - she specifies who, which subgroup of conservatives or classical liberals she is talking about: "..the so-called “hippies of the right,”..claiming simultaneously to be followers of my philosophy and advocates of anarchism."
(Edited by Philip Coates on 10/25, 10:41am)


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Sunday, October 25, 2009 - 12:42pmSanction this postReply
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This principle seems to have originated with Auberon Herbert, a 19th-century British author.  See, e.g.

http://rebirthofreason.com/Forum/Dissent/0209.shtml

For more Randian-sounding sentiments from Herbert, see

http://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/authors/a/auberon_herbert.html#

http://www.onpower.org/quotes/h.html

or simply Google the name.


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