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Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 5:20amSanction this postReply
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There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why... I dream of things that never were, and ask why not?  -- Robert F. Kennedy.
 
These kinds of sayings appeal to people who want to change the world.  Like most interesting problems, it is complicated. 

First, these quotes come from collectivists.  They want the impossible, that which is contrary to human nature.  Their plans are not really new.  In fact, they are very old, going back to the first cities.  In Adam Reed's recent Article about "Archimedes" I pointed out that we have an incorrect idea of the ancient Greek view of physical labor.  We got that primarily from European academics who discovered in Plato their dream of being philosopher-kings.  They pride themselves on being unreasonable people who dream of the impossible,
 
On the other hand, people who actually do create "things that never were" are called "inventors."  Seldom do they seem willing to subordinate everyone else to their wills.  As truly creative people, most of them have suffered to some extent from the world into which they were born.  Some had bizarre theories or tastes in other areas (spiritualism, collectivism, abstract expressionism, etc.)  but few of them seemed willing to impose their admitted idiosyncratic views on the world at large -- certainly not by the power of the state.  Nicola Tesla would run through a dozen napkins at a sitting.  I don't think he ever advocated that everyone be provided with them at public expense.
 
In another forum topic, I mentioned Michael Milken.  There was a man who saw how the world worked and created something new to change it.  He worked within the structure he found -- and he was crushed by looters who admire George Bernard Shaw and Robert Kennedy. 
 
Another example comes from Kary B. Mullis. who won a Nobel Prize for his Polymerase
Chain Reaction.  Mullis is faily explicit in calling himself a "libertarian."  (I don't know that he ever used the word "objectivist" or cited Ayn Rand.)  The point is that from what I have read by and about him, he enjoyed tooling around the mountain roads in northern New Mexico or sitting at his swimming pool, thinking of a simpler way to do a complicated thing.  He never spoke of "dreaming of the impossible."

 
It might be interesting to read such "impossible" quotes from Roebling or Edison, the Brothers Wright or F. Ll. Wright or from someone who actually achieved what others thought could never be done. 
 
The fallacy in the Shaw-Kennedy Algorithm is never understanding the nature of the people whom they dream of themselves reforming.  Similarly, world-beating Objectivists dream of changing "society" and remaking "the world" and "liberating mankind" without any respect for the nature of the people they seek to remake.
 
 
 
 
 




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Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 6:53amSanction this postReply
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I like the quote! Like and RFK quote too. I got a kick out of it, disregarding who said it and what it intended to mean and just give it a meaning of my own.

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Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 7:49amSanction this postReply
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Lines that are quoted in collections such as the Shaw and Kennedy quotes, seem to have a similarity of rythym and are almost formulaic in structure.

They also have another similarity, that of appealing to the collective.

That is why they often (the quotes) come from speeches either political or theatrical.

The first part clues you into what you are supposed to find unenlightened,

e.g.
"Ask not what your country can do for you...",

"The reasonable man adapts himself to the world;...",

"There are those who look at things the way they are, and ask why...".

This is the set up, and gives the clue that a punch line is to follow of something really really really enlightening. Oh please!

John - who hasnt had a second cup of coffee



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Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:50amSanction this postReply
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Michael,

Could You expand on this please?

  Similarly, world-beating Objectivists dream of changing "society" and remaking "the world" and "liberating mankind" without any respect for the nature of the people they seek to remake.
In particular I want to know what you mean about the section in bold.

This is the second time that I have seen you rebuking the 'change the world' objectivist.  And neither time did you give a good explination of why your not in favor of them.  So if you could explain the bold part above and then explain your position, I would better be able to understand why your not in favor of them. 

Thank You,

~Eric J. Tower


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Thursday, December 16, 2004 - 9:19amSanction this postReply
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RFK was quoting (or paraphrasing) Shaw:
 
Some men see things as they are and ask why. Others dream things that never were and ask why not.
-- George Bernard Shaw




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