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Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 3:14pmSanction this postReply
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This quote was found in the Kant’s Critique of Judgment, he is filling out the meaning of the aesthetically sublime. Strange place to include his two-cents on war.


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Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 3:30pmSanction this postReply
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Kant wrote:
War ... gives nations [a sense of] fortitude.  On the other hand, a prolonged peace favours the predominance of a mere commercial spirit, and with it a debasing self-interest, cowardice, and effeminacy, and tends to degrade the character of the nation.
Ha!  This quote reveals much about Kant's views of ethics.  Somehow, a properly conducted war stands as ethically superior to a prolonged peace because the latter fosters a "mere commercial spirit" -- as if commerce stood as ethically inferior to warfare.  He also calls self-interest "debasing" and lumps it with "cowardice".  Somehow, peace will lead us all on a road to "effeminacy" and will "degrade" our nation's character.  From where did he get all this -- his noumenal self?


Luke Setzer


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Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 3:49pmSanction this postReply
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I wonder if Nietzsche ever spotted that little gem? He purported to despise Kant, yet could have written *this* quotation himself!

Linz

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Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 8:55pmSanction this postReply
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Ug. It's enough to make one's skin crawl and one's hair stand on end. I wonder how Kant squared this with his categorical imperative: "Make war on others as if you wished it to become a universal maxim of action," perhaps?

Well, Kant always did seem to me like someone who was anxious to die, perhaps he would have welcomed the thought of living in a dangerous, war-torn hellhole.


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Saturday, September 25, 2004 - 11:03pmSanction this postReply
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Linz:

"I wonder if Nietzsche ever spotted that little gem? He purported to despise Kant, yet could have written *this* quotation himself!"

If he did, he likely recognized it as bizarrely out of character for Kant. Which it is. One has a hard time imagining the 18th century's meister of slave morality (and Kant DOES fit Nietzsche's concept of "slave morality" better than any character since Jesus) encouraging any sort of behavior that requires initiative of any sort, let alone one which requires so much as does warmaking.

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:11amSanction this postReply
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As always, there's a touch of truth in what Kant says. But no more than that.
 
And it's written in his familiar awkward, tortured, garbled, strangled style. This over-intelligent, over-educated, cowardly, effete, sissy-boy intellectual has a semi-illiterate, pot-boiler writing style which is nearly impossible to scan or peruse, and an agony to read.
 
In the intellectual, philosophical, and literary history of mankind, good writers and good thinkers are virtually one and the same. The reason why all those Keynsian and welfare-state economic writers write so poorly is because they have rocks in their head. Their anfractuous, serpentine, incomprehensible, illiterate style gives them away. (uh-oh...)
 
Kant once said "Never a straight thing was made from the crooked timber of man." But the fact is "Never a straight thing was written by the crooked pen of Kant."
 
Michael: Why did you even post this -- just to torture us? ;-)

(Edited by Andre Zantonavitch on 9/27, 5:52pm)


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Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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A paraphrase from Mein Kempf: "Only in battle, when we hear the dull sound of skulls being squashed do we know we are men." (Quoted in "Ominous Parallels")

(Edited by Michelle Cohen on 9/27, 1:01pm)

(Edited by Michelle Cohen on 9/28, 6:52am)


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Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 7:52amSanction this postReply
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Come to think of it, it's also hard to square with Kant's desire for "perpetual peace."

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Sunday, September 26, 2004 - 12:17pmSanction this postReply
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I prefer Ayn Rand on this topic. She said to the graduating cadets of West Point, "You have chosen to risk you lives or the defense of this country. . . the defense of one's country means that a man is personally unwilling to live as the conquered slave of any enemy, foreign or domestic. THIS is an enormous virtue. (PWNI, hc, 12-3)

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Monday, September 27, 2004 - 1:07pmSanction this postReply
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An antidote to Kant's view of war is provided by Aristotle: "For no one chooses to be at war, or provokes war, for the sake of being at war; any one would seem absolutely murderous if he were to make enemies of his friends in order to bring about battle and slaughter." (Nicomachean Ethics, X, 7)

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Tuesday, September 28, 2004 - 2:00pmSanction this postReply
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Andre asked: "Michael: Why did you even post this -- just to torture us? ;-)"

Oh, because I couldn't resist! If I get the sense of Fred right, that Kant is some kind of bridge between Aristotle and Rand, then its healthy to quote Kant in his, umm, more ackward moments.

Michelle,

Fantastic quotes...loved reading them.

Michael 




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