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Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 7:42pmSanction this postReply
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Clearly, while many of the listed novels are quite decent, none of them begins to come close to Vernor Vinge's "Rainbows End."  Vinge is a four-time Hugo Award winner for his past science fiction, and this one is up to par for him.  I just finished rereading it for the fourth time, and I think I finally got most of the important stuff.  Vinge is also the inventor of the term "singularity" as applied to human progress, although Kurtsweil acts as though he came up with it.  "Rainbows End" is both a terrorist story on a grand scale, and a very human tale of personal triumph over real adversity, as well as perhaps the most thoroughly thought out and believable picture of the near future - 2025 - of any such portrayal that I've seen in print so far.

In fact, Vinge's detailed presentation of "wearing" is only in the past few weeks starting to appear in the newest "Smart Phones," such as the iPhone and gPhone.  Since "Rainbows End" was published around 2007, I had been wondering if maybe he should have put the story more like around 2035 or maybe even 2040.  But, as is now being demonstrated, it appears that he is really close to the mark. 

It's interesting to note that not a single science fiction author "got" personal computers, until they were actually here.  Vinge, however, got the "wearing" thing right, I think way ahead of anyone else.  He actually had a short story set in the same setting geographically and timewise in which he got into "wearing" a little that came out, I believe, in the late 1990's.

On the subject of terrorism, Vinge, in "Rainbows End," also echoed Conrad Schneiker's prescient analysis from the late '70's.  Conrad was one of the dozen or so people in the loop in the original definition of nanotechnology, including also Drexler and Jonathon Vos Post.  In the late '70's Conrad pointed out to me that one possible explanation for the Fermi Paradox was that every intelligent species self-destructed as the capacity for destruction - and species annihilation - rose exponentially faster than the capacity for defense.  Vinge makes this perspective real in his tale.


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Wednesday, July 29, 2009 - 9:34pmSanction this postReply
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I see I need to add to my reading list. My absolute favorites are Nivens & Pournelle (together). I like Greg Baer, but recall passing up on Quantico some time ago. Eventually, I'll go back and read it (just had better at the time). I think any science fiction fan will miss seeing new work from Michael Crichton, yet his last two books I found disappointing - believe he began thinking ahead towards the Hollywood screenplays.

I have never read Rainbows End, but I'll look it over next time I'm at the book store.

jt

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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 11:52amSanction this postReply
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I just finished reading Empire by Orson Scott Card. It is great. It's a fast paced thriller and a stinging parody of the left that you will not want to put down. Buy it now.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 3:19pmSanction this postReply
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Empire. Sold on your endorsement!

jt

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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 3:25pmSanction this postReply
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Having read all of the 'Speaker' series, and enjoyed them, ordered this Empire [after all, was only a penny plus shipping - what much to lose, huh ;-)]

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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 4:53pmSanction this postReply
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The purpose of the poll is to generate discussion and suggestions for further reading.

As for Vinge, his Fire Down Below, with its mumbo-jumbo "variable physics" gnostic metaphysics makes me cringe. Should I really spend a hard earned $7.99 on another book by him? His style seems to be floating abstractions, an effluence of adjectives, and the primacy of consciousness. Does anyone else like Rainbows End?

Oh, and Empire has its flaws, or perhaps, I should say, its strange touches. Like his allusions to traffic gods, Xanth novels, and wordplay on the treachers who betay us. The story reads as a screenplay, and only the howls it has evoked from the Left (read the "reviews" at amazon) explain why it hasn't already been filmed.

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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 5:28pmSanction this postReply
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I enjoyed Rainbows End - had great sympathy for those wanting to keep the books, as am a 'hard copy' guy myself... ;-)

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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 6:53pmSanction this postReply
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I actually haven't read any of these. I'll have to check some out.


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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 7:30pmSanction this postReply
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Oath of Fealty - haven't read that since it came out [and my copy in in storage]... Friday is in my Heinlein collection, in my living room, and actually had read that one last month - as with most all of his works, very enjoyable... did not think much of Black Sunday - Clancey's is much better...

Except for Dune, never cared for Herbert, not even any of the sequels... State of Fear was ok, to me, but thought Dan Brown's Deception Point a better terrorism book... Bear's - that's one of his haven't yet read...

The others are not familiar to me...

(Edited by robert malcom on 7/31, 7:39pm)


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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 9:13pmSanction this postReply
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Children of Dune and Dune Messiah are anti-climactic. Herbert hits his stride again with God Emperor of Dune, Dune Heretics and Chapterhouse Dune. White Plague, Santaroga Barrier and Dosadi Experiment are all excellent. Whipping Star precedes but is not necessary for Dosadi Experiment.

I have not read Quantico, Bear is very good when he is good, but sometimes he's too into making some point and forgets he needs a plot.

I would say Friday, White Plague, Empire, State of Fear and Fealty are all must reads, in that order for quality. White Plague has literary pretensions, some find the middle of it slow, but I like it.

Has anyone read One Second After?

(Edited by Ted Keer on 8/01, 8:22am)


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Friday, July 31, 2009 - 11:39pmSanction this postReply
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That's on the to-get list...

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Sunday, August 2, 2009 - 10:22pmSanction this postReply
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Oath of Fealty was the best of the books on the list that I've read. Will have to check out the ones I haven't read -- added them to my ordering queue.

A bit leery of anything by Greg Bear -- haven't read anything of his so far that really grabbed my interest -- have yet to finish any of his novels.
(Edited by Jim Henshaw on 8/02, 10:24pm)


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Monday, August 3, 2009 - 8:19amSanction this postReply
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Bear is a mixed bag, but the following are all excellent:

Darwin's Radio/Darwin's Children
Forge of God/Anvil of the Stars

and his

Vitals

and Blood Music are also quite good.

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Thursday, August 6, 2009 - 12:05amSanction this postReply
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   Alas ,I have not kept up on my pursuit and enjoyment of the sci-fi genre. Ray Bradbury's Farhenheit 451 is as close as an example that I have read.
   L. Sprague de Camp and Robert E. Howard with their Conan series may have given us the ultimate example of the objectivist. I hope to have the full set some day. Piers Anthony and the Adept series was very good with words. Oh yeah, no bad grammar there. The syntax ,context and diatribe are astounding. He may be the Dr. Suess for fledgling rhetoriticians.
Hope to read all the examples in the poll some day. Until then I have no honest vote.


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Friday, August 7, 2009 - 6:33pmSanction this postReply
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Having read many of the 'poll' choices, for me this is a slam dunk:

"Executive Orders" by Tom Clancy.

Not only the best of the "Jack Ryan" books (TC went downhill a bit in later books or ones without him and Mr. Clark, especially collaborative ones), but the most thoroughly realistic book about the current threat of Islamo-fascism. Deals with both conventional assasination and the technical details of bio-terrorism (which may be as catastrophic -- think smallpox -- as dirty bombs or people crashing planes into buildings or suitcase nukes.)

It also has an enormously satisfying prescription about how a clear-sighted President would deal with Iran under certain dire circumstances.

Absolutely gripping. And emotionally -- and morally -- satisfying.

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Monday, August 10, 2009 - 7:40pmSanction this postReply
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Am just finishing Footfall (the hippy just drowned the reporter in the toilet bowl) and will read One Second After next which I just happened into today at the library. And funny, they were selling a copy of Executive Orders, which I picked up for 33c.

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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 7:55amSanction this postReply
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I thoroughly enjoyed Footfall. A creative and fun yarn.

jt

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Tuesday, August 11, 2009 - 6:32pmSanction this postReply
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Having read all of Card's Speaker for the Dead series, I have to say that while a couple of them are well worth reading - Shadow and Ender's Game, especially, after a while I got tired of the kind of monotone, deprecated humor.  The originality was gone, and the constant clever word plays just seemed silly without really new content.

I personally loved Vinge's "A Fire Upon the Deep" (not "A Fire Below"), for his ability to suggest convincingly truly alien species and mentalities.  Most sf authors are truly unable to convey that sense.  Aliens are usually depicted as just humans with extra digits or who breathe ammonia.  The "tines," on the other hand, really did have a different kind of mind.  And the logical analysis involved in such scenes as when the fleet is following the heros, based on false premises planted by the Perversion, and each side is playing mind games, manipulating the data while trying to see through the other side's smoke screens, I thought was classic.  I recently reread both "A Fire Upon the Deep" and its prequel.

Vinge's prequel to it, however, written a couple decades or so later, "A Deepness in the Sky," not only raises all kinds of interesting questions about the possible limits of progress, but also introduces a genuinely new technology that is all too doable.

I note that only Heinlein and Lois Bujold got more Hugos for their novels than Vinge.  Vinge has three now, including the three novels mentioned in this thread and, I believe, a couple of his short stories or novellas got the equivalent awards.  The paperback edition of "Rainbows End" has Vinge getting four Hugos, which is incorrect, I gather.  Vinge was, however, both the originator of the concept "singularity" as applied to future human progress, and also the original cyberpunk sf author, with his classic "True Names" short story.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hugo_Award_for_Best_Novel


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