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Friday, July 27, 2007 - 5:15amSanction this postReply
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I picked "Other" for Dan Brown, author of Angels and Demons and The Da Vinci Code, since I have not read the listed authors.

By the way, King spells his first name as Stephen.


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Friday, July 27, 2007 - 10:00amSanction this postReply
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I vote for Vernor Vinge. He is a very libertarian author who writes very good short stories as well as sweeping "space opera" novels, all based upon hard SIFI conjectures. I recommend A Fire Upon the Deep, A Deepness in the Sky, Across Realtime, and True Names and Other Dangers. I haven't yet read his latest book Rainbows End. but it has received good reviews. Here is a Wikipedia entry for Vernor Vinge.

Note: Upon rereading the poll question, maybe Vinge doesn't count as a "Best Seller". oh well ... :-)
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Friday, July 27, 2007 - 10:12amSanction this postReply
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Have found all of Vinge's books immensely enjoyable and thought provoking - including his latest, Rainbows End, which offers interesting notions of the nature of control and the personal....  oddly enough, find Tatja Grimm's World to be among my fave, perhaps because of an affinity with the character [which, I think, is why is less liked by others, this lacking and the implications - too uncomfortable for the 'nornal' to consider].....
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Friday, July 27, 2007 - 1:28pmSanction this postReply
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Vinge isn't a "best seller" but who cares? Recommendations for any good writer are nice.

I have tried reading Vinge, I think it was Fire Upon the Deep but it was a little too operatic - I was being bombarded by too many grand conceits all at once without any reason to get into the characters. I like Heinlein because he usually starts off with a bomb exploding to get the plot moving and then hits you with the Sci-Fi elements after the story has started developing. Is there a good Vinge starter novel that isn't quite so heavy on the special effects? I seem to remember something about a pipe organ and a brontosaur on the first page - I'd like something like Niven's Ringworld which is quite grand but where you don't start off with the Puppeteer Fleet and Fist-of-God all in the first chapter.

Ted Keer

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Friday, July 27, 2007 - 4:18pmSanction this postReply
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Even though I've only begun the 1100 page tome by Neal Stephenson, Cryptonomicon, it is surely a wonderful Objectivist novel. When you're in a bookstore check out pages 100 to 105 to see if you agree.

Other than the above, I like Michael Crichton and Tom Wolfe

Sam


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Friday, July 27, 2007 - 6:52pmSanction this postReply
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Luke,

I've avoided Dan Brown, or at least the Da Vinci Code because I am familiar both with comparative mythology and the research in the historical Jesus and have found the idea that he or Mary Magdalene (whom I have no problem imagining as Jesus's wife) traveled to Provence and sired a line of Merovingian kings preposterous. I did finally give in and watch the movie, even though it starred Tom (pfleufgh!) Hanks. And I have to admit that it was engaging. I thought Stigmata was more interesting - but it was also for believers of some sort, if not the Orthodox. As an atheist, I didn't expect you to be reading this sort of material. I wonder if you've read A. N. Wilson's critical Jesus, a Life or the Gospel of Thomas? What was the subject matter of Angels and Demons?

As for books and movies, I read Grisham's The Firm and found it good, but I actually enjoyed the movie much, much more, and the ending in the movie outdid the book. I wonder if anyone else had this impression?

Ted

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:13amSanction this postReply
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I hate to seem silly, but I like the writing style of J.K. Rowling. Only because she's one the few authors I've seen utilize accents in written form, like with characters like Mundungus and Hagrid, who seem to have a sort of broken English accent and what not. Everytime I read her books, it's like I have a different voice for each character, even by the words they choose as well (Lucius versus Severus, where Lucius is more of a snob and Severus [Snape] is more of an analytical type when speaking). I don't think the content of her work is particularly thought provoking, but it's still an enjoyable read.

-- Brede

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 1:30amSanction this postReply
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Brede,

I only included as choices authors I've actually read myself, the excepton of Irving being that my mother read his books and the family saw his movies.

I personally voted Anne Rice for her plush style. Rowling is certainly a best seller, but I couldn't get past the first fifty pages of the first book. My mom prefered him to Tolkien.

I could have added Harris' Lector books too.

Ted

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 8:21amSanction this postReply
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I personally voted Anne Rice for her plush style. Rowling is certainly a best seller, but I couldn't get past the first fifty pages of the first book. My mom preferred him to Tolkien.
(Ted)
I had the same "couldn't get past the first fifty pages" experience with Anne Rice's Interview With the Vampire. A friend had insisted I must read it; I've never wanted to pick up anything else by her since.  (BTW, J.K. Rowling is a "her", not a "him".)

I haven't read as much fiction as I'd like to have in the past few years, but I have read several of Grisham's books. And while Grisham's writing style is enjoyable enough, I prefer Scott Turow's, especially in Presumed Innocent, which was not just an engaging story but beautifully written. 
 
I hate to seem silly, but I like the writing style of J.K. Rowling.  (Brede)
It's not silly at all. Rowling comes up with some of the most cleverly-conceived details I've ever seen. The entire story is quite good, but I just love the little things...the talking portraits, the (audibly) angry letters sent from upset parents to misbehaving children ("howlers", aren't they called?), the newspapers, books and magazines that all contain moving pictures, and so on. She injects magic in every nook and cranny of the story and there is always logic in the magical things she devises. I always end up thinking, "Well of course they would have that" (in any world where magic exists.)

 Incidentally, Brede, I read somewhere that Rowling didn't actually set out to write a "children's book"...the book is about a child, certainly, but she said wasn't trying to write for children necessarily. This may explain why so many adults do love the novels, too.  (In contrast, The Lemony Snicket books are clever, too...but definitely written for children.)

Erica


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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 9:26amSanction this postReply
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You should try reading Rice's Sleeping Beauty novels - they're more interesting than the vamp ones......

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:08amSanction this postReply
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Rice is uneven in the quality of her books. I had no trouble getting into Interview, but I did find the main character a bit too whiny. Once he creaytes Claudia (the girl played by Kirsten Dunst in the movie) it gets moving pretty good. The second book, The Vampire L'Estat was by far the best of the three, but Queen of the Damned was a bit of a mess, as if she had written it with half-baked ideas to make a deadline. I haven't read the Sleeping Beauty series, but when her books are good they are very good for her historical context and her attention to perceptually concrete detail - visually she reminds me of Rand and Tolkien. If you can try to read Interview again, or have seen the movie, you might enjoy L'Estat better.

I haven't read Turow, Ludlum, Steele, Mary Higgins Clark, or Jackie Collins, or Koontz, so I left them out of the survey. I find King to be a bit of a hack. The Tommy Knockers was one of the worst pieces of crap I've ever read. But I very much enjoyed the Stand and Dreamcatcher.

Ted Keer

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:28amSanction this postReply
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King is over rated. Too detailed about useless matters and far to long winded. Rice's Sleeping Beauty is outlandish and erotic (yeah!)

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 10:40amSanction this postReply
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If you want a snore for a book, try Idoru by William Gibson. Some of his earlier works are more fun to read, but Idoru took me the longest of any book to finish (about two months) because he was too focused on details that would even make Tolkien cringe. And sadly, the book is only slightly over 400 pages in paperback, but it's still not his best work. But for something that's interesting, textually and topically, I suggest Pattern Recognition by him.

-- Brede

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 11:42amSanction this postReply
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Lol - if ye want detail, try reading Peake's Gormenghast Trilogy.......

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Saturday, July 28, 2007 - 12:50pmSanction this postReply
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Ted - One good starting place for Vinge might be A Deepness In The Sky. I thought that it was crafted a bit better than A Fire Upon The Deep. But I got hooked when reading through his short stories.

I'll second (or third or whatever) Cryptonomicon by Stephenson. What a ride!



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Sunday, July 29, 2007 - 4:07pmSanction this postReply
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Wow! I'm in with IN crowd.  I picked "other" as well, and my other was Vinge as well.  Tatya Grimm's World was readable, I thought, but hardly great fiction.  "The Witling," however, was embarrassingly terrible, both in execution and in moral sentiment.

Vinge had, however, done some outstanding short stories in the '60's as a teenager, stuff that still holds up well today.  And his "True Names" short story is often credited as inventing the whole "cyberpunk" genre.  He went on from there to write the first of his "Singularity"* novels, "The Peace War," which envisions a post apocalyptic world in which the anarcho-capitalists are taking over - for the good...  Followed by "The Ungoverned" short story, which gives another brief snapshot of some events in that future history, followed by "Marooned in Realtime," nominated for the Hugo, which I generally regard as the best sf novel ever written.

*Vinge invented the use of the term "singularity" to refer to the point at which change is happening so fast, the doubling of total human owned information down to seconds, for example, when it is simply no longer feasible to try to predict the future as a human being - or that's one way to describe it...  Wiki for details.

Then he did his huge space opera novels, "A Fire Upon the Deep," and "A Deepness in the Sky," both of which are terrific engrossing reads, altho the latter is better in several respects.  At least one of them - I forget which - DID get the Hugo Award for best novel of the year.  Vinge is a very sharp guy, retired mathematics professor, heavilly into AI research.

The Orange County Science Fiction Club has a reading group, which discusses a novel for an hour or so after the main meeting, and the August selection is Vinge's "Rainbows End."  FYI


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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 5:06pmSanction this postReply
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     Hmmm...'who', not 'what'? Ok; contemporary Authors.

1) Tom Clancy

2) Jonathan Kellerman (mainly his Alex Delaware series)

3) Stephen King (only his NON-supernatural ones, like MISERY [ok: it was '87] except for GERALD'S GAME...too filler-paddedly drawn out.)

4) John Grisham (his 'lawyer' ones, anyways)

5) Larry McMurtry

6) Robert Ludlum (but, no more now)

7) Fred Saberhagen (his SFiction, not his SFantasy)

8) Robert L. Forward (superficial characterization, but 'hard' SF)

LLAP
J:D 


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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:06pmSanction this postReply
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~ Loved Dan Brown's FLIGHT OF THE OLD DOG. He showed ingenuity in his next books re 'techno' ways of villains deceiving intelligent protagonists but also showed little respect for the Bill of Rights, ready to accept Martial Laws at the drop of a terrorist bomb. His DA VINCI CODE, with the religious-background stuff (like Blatty's THE EXORCIST b-o-o-k) re the relevent schism beliefs was (let's not forget, like so many have, that it was f-i-c-t-i-o-n) quite interesting though. Yet, I don't keep a watch for his next book.

~ Vernor Vinge: read one (forget which). Guess his subject/style's not my taste.

LLAP
J:D


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Monday, July 30, 2007 - 6:07pmSanction this postReply
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~ M. Chrichton's good...now. But his first few I just saw as contemporary versions of Frankenstein/Kong (starting with his TERMINAL MAN) Lately, his are definitely worthwhile (haven't caught NEXT yet); he's become a bit 'original' (even if a bit pedantic)...now.

 ~ Anne Rice: her 1st vamp-novel (like King's 'SALEM'S LOT, which, if Stoker didn't do his famous one, would have been the vampire novel) was a 'classic' of sorts, but, I couldn't continue the fiction subject. Have no interest in her writings since her 'conversion' nor the subject in novel form. 'Sides, I prefer my vamps (even if only writers) staying Goth.

LLAP
J:D


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Thursday, August 2, 2007 - 3:51pmSanction this postReply
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Dick Francis is terrific!

Jim


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