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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:52amSanction this postReply
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I posted this poll a few days ago on the SOLO Passion site at

http://www.solopassion.com/node/2248

The contrast in results thus far does not surprise me, but I did want to sample the two sites to see what results I would get.


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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 11:58amSanction this postReply
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I don't think its worth any effort to be ARI acceptable. Eventually you will probably do something that will rub Piekoff the wrong way, and it will be all be over with ARI. Do any organizations exist that are not lead by ARI that have members and promotes mainly Objectivist ideas, AND ARI likes them?

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:19pmSanction this postReply
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DMG wrote:

Eventually you will probably do something that will rub Peikoff the wrong way, and it will be all be over with ARI.

A look at their recent fallout with Robert Tracinski and The Intellectual Activist illustrates this idea quite well.

Would any ARI supporters care to challenge Dean's assertion?  I say this as someone who supports ARI but considers some of these squabbles absurd.


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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 12:40pmSanction this postReply
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The history of the Peripatetic shool, and Theophrastus' actions in regard to the school and Aristotle's personal library, including his polished works which are now entirely lost to us, provides an excellent cautionary example of what happens when someone is made an "intellectual heir" or "executor" and shows what a horrible mistake the existence of ARI as a body supposedly sanctioned by Rand, and run by her heir actually is.

In his will, in order to extend his own influence over how the peripatetic school would be run, Theophrastus (Aristotle's heir) willed the facilities of the school to the school as a whole, but willed the papers not to the school for free use by all, but to one individual whom Theophrastus apparently found "doctrinally acceptable." That person ended up hoarding Aristotle's unpublished finished papers. They were never published in Greece. They were eventiually left to rot in a cellar during the wars that plagued Greece after Alexander. Eventually the texts were found and published by a Roman, in Rome, but by then, the Peripatetic school had lost its influence, (larely to skeptics and Platonizing Stoics) and eventually the never widely distributed editions of Aritotle's finished works were all lost or destroyed when the philosophers left and were ejected from Rome during her long fall. The surviving inferior and incomplete texts we have are those works that the school still had access to without Theophrastus' control, and which were preserved because they were distributed in the Orient and were not destroyed when the West fell.

As far as I can see, Peikoff is in the same position as Theophrastus, and the closeness with which ARI holds Rand's works is eerily similar. I haved intended to maked a point of this at essay length, but have not been posting on SOLO-P out of disgust for James Valliant's evasions which continue to have strong support there.

Perhaps I shall write on this sordid matter at length some other day.

My source for Theophrastus is vols III & IV of Giovanni Reale's History of Ancient Philosophy.

Ted Keer

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on 2/28, 12:53pm)


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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:05pmSanction this postReply
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Let me say that unless the cutthroats establish world-wide sharia, I don't expect Rand's papers to be lost. Whether they have been redacted is another matter. Likewise, I have no problem with Peikoff or some other executor having been given an amount of time to publish her works, and have found her Letters, Journals, and Art of Fiction and Nonfiction invaluable. Then they should have been designated to revert in toto to some reliable institution such as the Library of Congress. Other than some nominal sum and royalties on posthumously published works, the royalties and money from her estate and books published during her life should not have been given to provide a cushy and corrupting lifetime position to certain members of the inner circle, but should have been directed toward buying copies of her works for schools, and having her works translated into Hindi and Mandarin.

Ted
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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:35pmSanction this postReply
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Ted wrote:

Then they should have been designated to revert in toto to some reliable institution such as the Library of Congress.

After the episode in which Peikoff basically found his home under siege to retrieve the first and last pages of one of Ayn Rand's original manuscripts that he did not pass to the Library of Congress, I doubt that will ever happen now.


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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:38pmSanction this postReply
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Does anyone know if Peikoff has announced his intentions for the estate (including, of course, copyrights of Rand’s books) after his death?

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Wednesday, February 28, 2007 - 1:58pmSanction this postReply
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Funny, I was considering whether facsimilles should be made while posting this. If Peikoff did indeed advise the Library of the omission, and did not sign a statement saying that the manuscript was complete, then he should have fought the case on principle, rather than brag about his victimization. And why was only that manuscript given? Was it a charitable donation, and tax write-off?

And my main concern was not for the manuscripts of the published works, but for her unpublished ones.

There are plenty of fine private institutions that would be glad to take the remaining papers.

Ted

And the designation of reversion in toto to the Library of Congress could have been made upon the death of the present heir. Or did Rand intend to establish some sort of nobility in Southern France, holding the Sangreal, with the Knights Templar standing by...

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Thursday, March 1, 2007 - 5:53pmSanction this postReply
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Not to sound snobbish, but I just browsed the listing at TAS of local clubs and most of them look hopelessly out of date -- dead links, etc.

Is someone there watching the fort?


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Thursday, March 22, 2007 - 6:44amSanction this postReply
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Well, well, well, the flame wars have already commenced:

http://forum.objectivismonline.net/index.php?showtopic=8987

Per Post 5 of that thread:
FYI, Luke's PROPEL thingy is associated with various TOC organizations, like Rebirth of Reason. That is more likely to alienate potential club members than attract them. I know I wouldn't attend a club that had anything remotely to do with TOC, especially not after the lies their employees have told about the ARI educational programs.
I wonder if I should even bother to post a reply.


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Thursday, March 29, 2007 - 11:45amSanction this postReply
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Hi Luke,

I would simply encourage the person in question to make up their own mind. Either they will or they won't. Let the flaming frothers froth. It's boring :-)


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