About
Content
Store
Forum

Rebirth of Reason
War
People
Archives
Objectivism

Post to this threadMark all messages in this thread as readMark all messages in this thread as unread


Post 0

Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 1:49pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
I gave it my sanction, of course, and that is the reason why I post this, from Harry Browne's How to Profit from the Monetary Crisis:

"A Visit to Rheingold"
Wars

Anxious to change the subject, I turned the conversation back to the war. “How in heaven’s name did you manage to stay out of World War Two? Here you are right between Germany and France. Didn’t the Nazis occupy Rhinegold while they were occupying France?”

“They tried to,” said Mr. Product. “A large band of soldiers in tanks moved in and said that Glitter City was now under Nazi occupation. That is, they tried to say it, but they could not find anyone to listen to them. They posted signs on the buildings and went looking for something called the ‘City Hall’ to take over the government.”

“Then what happened?”

“You see, we do not have a government. No one here respects any authority except his own self-interest and the self-interest of any person with whom he might have some intercourse.”

“By the way, what is a government?” asked Mr. Sell.

Ignoring him, Mr. Product went on with his story. “So that meant they would have to set up a government. They sent home for more troops; but since no one here had any concept of what a ‘government’ is, it meant they could control us only if they had one policeman for every Rhinegolder. At first, they tried stationing a solider on every corner with a tommy gun -- but people just went about their own business.

“Finally, they realized they would have to have 160,000 soldiers here to guard 160,000 Rhindegolders. And for what? Just to say they had conquered a little country of 1,000 square miles. That did not make sense -- even to them. So they stole some cheese and went on to France.”

“That’s very inter--”

“Wait, that’s not all. In 1945, it happened again -- sort of. Then the American soldiers came. They had even more tanks and soldiers than the Germans had. They rode into town and a man in uniform with some artificial silver stars on his shoulder stopped me in the street and said, ‘Take me to your leader.’ So I took him home and introduced him to my wife.

“Well, either I had misunderstood or he misunderstood, because he threatened to shave my head and denounce me as a collaborator. Fortunately, he changed his mind -- but I do not think he ever comprehended our way of life here, and I certainly do not understand his.

“So after a couple of days, they stole some cheese and headed into Germany.”

Democracy

This was all a little too much for me to grasp. “But you must have a government. Who decides when prices get too high or how much is a fair profit?”

“What is a government?” insisted Mr. Sell.

“We all decide such things,” said Mr. Product.

“Oh,” I said. “You mean you vote on such questions.”

“I guess you could say that. I vote when I buy something. I am telling the seller that his price and profit are not prohibitive. If enough other people also vote for the product in that way, the seller keeps offering it. If not, he is voted into changing his prices or doing something else for a living. Is that what you mean?”

“No, but we’ll se that aside. Even if you don’t want a government to control your economy, you have to have one for national defense. If nothing else, that’s a necessity.”

“I disagree with you. In fact, I see it to be exactly the reverse. If we had a government running our economy, we would survive. We would have to put up with the recurring price distortions of inflation and the inevitable depressions that you people take for granted. Our standard of living would go down considerably with such a government running our lives, but -- as I said -- we would still survive somehow.

“But the one thing we would not tolerate would be a government responsible for our defense. Depressions are bad enough -- but wars! Wars that send our people off to fight the personal battles of some stupid politician; large shares of our production taken away from us to buy guns and fortifications; bombs raining down on our cities. I am surprised that you imagine that we would want that.”

“But how do you defend yourselves?”

“By minding our own business. Oh, we have had people wanting to conquer us a few times. But a nation is conquered only when the government surrenders; then the people surrender. A people who do not respect any authority but themselves have no one to surrender for them. That means they would each individually have to surrender. No conqueror has the resources to waste trying to conquer 160,000 different and individual enemies.

“Each time the foreigners have come to make war, they have left soon enough. And yes it is true that they killed a dozen or so people before they left. And we all mourned -- because I doubt that there is a single person in Rhinegold who does not consider such deaths to be senseless.

“But fortunately we did not have a government. If we had, the ‘great’ ruler would have called for blood and vengeance ‘on behalf of an injured nation.’ He would have drafted half of the population and send thousands off to die. If a dozen people killed is such a tragedy, then why bring on the even greater tragedy of thousands killed?

“No thank you, Mr. Browne, no national defense for us. It is too dangerous."

(It was archived on this blog:
http://www.johnnykramer.com/rhinegold.html)


Post 1

Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 2:51pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Anarchy means that an individual's rights will be no more secure than they are in Somalia. Might as well count on hopes for a kindly, benevolent dictator.
------------

Ayn Rand: "If physical force is to be barred from social relationships, men need an institution charged with the task of protecting their rights under an objective code of rules.

This is the task of a government—of a proper government—its basic task, its only moral justification and the reason why men do need a government.

A government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of physical force under objective control—i.e., under objectively defined laws."
[Emphasis mine]




Post 2

Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 3:06pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Steve, I apologize for hitting your patellar ligament. The subject is cheese qua Dane-geld.


(Edited by Michael E. Marotta on 11/26, 3:10pm)


Post 3

Tuesday, November 26, 2013 - 3:46pmSanction this postReply
Bookmark
Link
Edit
Marotta, the apology I would like to have from you is the one where you acknowledge that it was wrong to call me a racist, and for your lie that I have said I'm a conservative.

I don't need or want your quasi-apology where you accusing me of a knee-jerk reaction to your quotes, quotes that advocate not having a government.

Post to this thread


User ID Password or create a free account.