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Monday, October 15, 2012 - 5:08pmSanction this postReply
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Hi again,

Are there any essays/discussions on utilitarianism? I've checked ARI and TAS but I couldn't find anything (I tried the search box and nothing came up).

I've looked at utilitarianism and it seems very much a 'the ends justify the means' (amongst other things) philosophy but I want to read what someone more knowledgeable about philosophy has to say.

thanks in advance,
Brandon

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Monday, October 15, 2012 - 5:21pmSanction this postReply
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See this Ayn Rand Lexicon entry on the subject.

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Tuesday, October 16, 2012 - 11:40pmSanction this postReply
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I agree, Luke. Leonard Peikoff's thumbnail definition is concise, precise, and wry.  I checked Philosophy: Who Needs It? and For the New Intellectual and neither held much more insight.  The easy answer is, indeed, that utlitarianism mandates that we act to achieve the greatest good for the greatest number. 

But like much else, it is a bit more complicated.  In addition to Wikipedia (of course), the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy (here) has a detailed explanation.  Not surprisingly, the philosophy has its adherents, to be found at www.Utilitarianism.org, of course.  Read as much as you please.

Allow me to add one note.  We look at these as social ethics.  In fact, Bentham's "hedonistic calculus" was also intended for personal use.  In order to decide on a course of action such as the purchase of a car, you create an accounting T-ledger and balance the Assets against the Liabilities. It is, indeed, one way to approach decisions, perhaps even inducing a dispassionate appraisal. 
Intense, long, certain, speedy, fruitful, pure—
Such marks in pleasures and in pains endure.
Such pleasures seek if private be thy end:
If it be public, wide let them extend
Such pains avoid, whichever be thy view:
If pains must come, let them extend to few.
Bentham's Mnemonic cited in "Felicific Calculus" Wikipedia here



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Saturday, October 20, 2012 - 8:09amSanction this postReply
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MEM,
It is, indeed, one way to approach decisions, perhaps even inducing a dispassionate appraisal.
Thinking that utilitarianism is merely rationalized subjectivism, I disagree that it ever really produces a dispassionate appraisal. Like the fatal flaw of Evidence-Based Medicine, there is no objective standard for the chosen standards. In Evidence-Based Medicine, some types or kinds of investigations are given more weight than others -- but no fundamental principle is fleshed out such that you could retroactively deduce why one type was superior. The same in utilitarianism. It's catchy to say: "Greatest Good for the Greatest Number" -- but that 6-word phrase already introduces 4 variables:

1) Greatest (in the sense of goods)
2) Good (in the sense of value)
3) Greatest (in the sense of measurement)
4) Number (in the sense of population)

If you ask a utilitarian to define these 4 terms, they will "blank out." On the rare occasion where they don't "blank out" (e.g., Peter Singer), they will answer you by appealing to their personal passions -- albeit feebly trying to cloak their personal passions using a thin veil of rationalism. If you examine Singer's philosophy, for example, you will find that there is nothing fundamental supporting it -- except for his subjective sentiments on the matter.

It's not different than a kid telling his parents that he thinks it would be a really good idea if he were given another scoop of ice cream.

:-)

Ed


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Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 4:29amSanction this postReply
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MEM: ... In fact, Bentham's "hedonistic calculus" was also intended for personal use. ... perhaps even inducing a dispassionate appraisal.

ET: ... I disagree that it ever really produces a dispassionate appraisal. ... but no fundamental principle ... "Greatest Good for the Greatest Number" ... appealing to their personal passions ...


"personal use." As I am not a whim-worshipping social metaphysical range-of-the-moment muscle mystic, a T-ledger would help me organize my thoughts. ... as would a bubble diagram, fishbone, flowchart, entity-action diagram, or calling my brother and talking to him. (It is said that the best sounding board for a man's ideas is a pillow with a woman's head on it.)


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Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 7:12pmSanction this postReply
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MEM,

Alright, alright. I concede the point that it can be real helpful to make a list of pros and cons and examine them side-by-side.

LEDGER: Arguing with MEM

................ Pros ............................................. Cons
He really challenges you ......................... but it can be frustrating
He often displays great manners ............. but he can be snarky, too
His worldly knowledge ............................ his worldly knowledge
Etc. .................................................................. etc.

:-)

Ed


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Tuesday, October 23, 2012 - 8:08pmSanction this postReply
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I googled "Hedonistic calculus" and saw this under "Modified Hedonistic Calculus":
The major factors of sensations of pleasure and pain resulting from an action as outlined by Bentham are summarized by these variables.

The first four variables (intensity, duration, certainty, and propinquity) show the value of the pleasure or the pain "considered by itself." This phrase implies Bentham did not see pleasure and pain as polar concepts or contraries.

The next two variables (fecundity and purity) are properties of the event or action produced by the pleasure or pain-—not properties of the pleasure or pain, itself.


Intensity (I)--How intense is the pleasure or pain?

Duration (D)--How long does the pleasure of pain last?

Certainty (C)--What is the probability that the pleasure or pain will occur?

Propinquity (nearness or remoteness) (N)--How far off in the future is the pleasure or pain?

Fecundity (F)--What is the probability that the pleasure will lead to other pleasures?

Purity (P)--What is the probability that the pain will lead to other pains?

Extent (E)--How many persons are affected by the pleasure?


The author of that goes on to flesh out this idea of making a math formula for rendering potential personal rewards more measurable.

BUT, that is an example of using reason (rightly or wrongly). That is NOT hedonism. Hedonism is attempting to using emotions as tools of cognition. And that is the flaw with hedonism. That is why hedonism does not work. When we use reason to weigh the balance of potential outcomes and the elements that are being weighed include pain, pleasure, joy, suffering that is NOT using emotions or sensations as if they were reasoning.
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If the kid who is asking his parents for a second helping of ice cream says it would be good because it feels good, he is arguing hedonism. But if he says it would be good because the pleasure it would give him would not be offset by any negatives (and explains that he needs more calories and has not passed any reasonable level for sugar or fat, etc.) then he would not be making a hedonistic argument.

Am I getting this right?

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Thursday, October 25, 2012 - 4:45amSanction this postReply
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Steve wrote:
The author of that goes on to flesh out this idea of making a math formula for rendering potential personal rewards more measurable.

BUT, that is an example of using reason (rightly or wrongly). That is NOT hedonism. Hedonism is attempting to using emotions as tools of cognition.
That is the first time I have seen that interpretation of hedonism (using emotions as tools of cognition). Indeed, the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on hedonism (link) classifies Bentham as a hedonist.


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Sunday, November 4, 2012 - 9:00amSanction this postReply
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Merlin,
the Stanford Encyclopedia of Philosophy article on hedonism (link) classifies Bentham as a hedonist.
I can agree with that. More and more, I find that utilitarians can be reduced to covert hedonists attempting to disguise the subjectivity of their morality via algorithms -- giving the mere appearance of science and objectivity, without the substance of it. Of course, a truly scientific and therefore, objective, morality would be Objectivism. Some people -- sometimes through no fault of their own -- are not in the position to be able to see or understand that, however.

Ed


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Sunday, November 4, 2012 - 9:19amSanction this postReply
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Lol Ed in regards to the pros and cons comparison.
Other wise known as " The Ben Franklin" closing technique in sales! I have not seen that in 25 yrs!

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