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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 1:21pmSanction this postReply
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What may, or may not, one ethically say or do if one observes a stranger comprachicoing a child (apparently the stranger's child) in a manner not punishable by law?

Specific example (a "selective re-creation" combining details of various situations I have seen) --

Assume you are on a bus, train, or plane, sitting near a woman with two children (ages about 7 and 9). You see the woman give each child a banana: the seven-year-old tries to take the other's banana along with his own -- when the nine-year-old says "You're stealing! Give it back!", the mother urges her to "be fair and share -- remember, it's wrong to fight back when you can compromise."
The mother goes on to "explain" -- she has very obviously said this sort of thing many times before -- "Listen: you want one banana -- he want both bananas -- so obviously the fair thing to do is for you to make an average and give him just half your banana." The mother then enforces her "banana compromise," while sighing and telling the nine-year-old: "Someday, I hope you'll be as smart as your brother so that you can learn to be fair": the victim agrees that she will try harder to understand.

If I saw a stranger nailing her daughter into a barrel, I could run up and break the barrel -- if I couldn't break the barrel, I could dial 911 and (possibly) the police would come, break the barrel, and arrest the mother.
But what does one do (what can one ethically and usefully do) when seeing a stranger carefully nailing her children's *minds* into barrels?





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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 2:43pmSanction this postReply
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Obviously you can say what you like.

But remember this: You will not be there later to defend the child when the mom beats the shit out of him because you embarrassed her.

Sometimes a knowing wink and a furtive "loco" finger spin gesture to the child is best. The parent will remain oblivious and the child will learn that not everyone is oblivious to such nonsense.

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Saturday, October 24, 2009 - 6:36pmSanction this postReply
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That seems worth trying!
I'll do it, in similar future circumstances, and hope the kids notice it and their parents don't!

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Tuesday, October 27, 2009 - 7:41pmSanction this postReply
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Actually, publicity might solve a lot of this.  What if the whole world was watching?

Clearly, a lot of the time, someone in the local area will have a cell phone with video capture, and, as bandwidth improves, this will become the norm.  Unfortunately, here in California, as I understand the current law, the idiots in Sacramento have elevated the "right to privacy" to a position above the right to self-defense.

I.e., if you record or netcast live video of someone committing a crime or behaving in a reprehensible way with a child or threatening you personally, then you had better cut out the audio, or you can be prosecuted under California law, which grants a special privilege to privacy of speech.  Even in cases in which people were directly threatened, the courts have ruled that not only is the speech not admisable as evidence, but that also the victim of the threat may be prosecuted criminally for making the recording.

Interestingly, this does not apply to employers recording employees, but it does apply to employees recording employers.


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